Uploading to YouBandCloud is not the same thing as "releasing an album".

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OP - I think you covered it


Thank you. Our work here is done. I think we can call it a day.

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I do agree that in today's age of free streaming (or almost free) that the business model is pretty much broken. The only way the hoi polloi musicians can make money nowadays
is via getting paid for live gigs. If their music does make it onto a TV commercial or movie then there are significant royalties, but that's about it.

i don't think it's a nowadays thing. just read albini's "the "problem with music" from 30 years ago. it was always a broken model for the vast majority. it only works for pushing top 40 sales numbers.

the only people i personally know still releasing physical records on the regular are dance labels, and some of them albeit fairly successful are pretty much just breaking even. sure, there was a time where it was cheap to put CDs out and one could feasibly make some profit, but that was a brief moment in the grand scheme.
 

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PC recording in your basement mancave garage-muh-hall is not the same things as "going into the studio".

Compressing the stereo WAV file is not "mastering".

Plugging mics in a PA is not "running sound".

A Facebook page or a youtube open mic video is not a "promo kit".

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playing music is not the same thing as playing music!

but I really don't think it's quite as cut and dried as that.
 

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Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas won a whole mess of Grammys for recording and mastering in their house. Their album was released without any additional modification by anyone.
In addition, stars like Billie and Bieber and many others got 100% of their promotion from posting home made YouTube videos. Sorry, that's the new world we live in.

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PC recording in your basement mancave garage-muh-hall is not the same things as "going into the studio".

Compressing the stereo WAV file is not "mastering".

Plugging mics in a PA is not "running sound".

A Facebook page or a youtube open mic video is not a "promo kit".

Any others I'm missing?
No, you’re wrong about every part of that except for the mastering.
 

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Yes, they're albums. Older people tend to think "album" refers to a vinyl record, but most people use "album" to mean a collection of songs released together, whether or not it's ever printed to a physical medium. A "record" is a recording, in whatever format. A "release" is when you make a record available to the public on Bandcamp, YouTube, record stores, or wherever.
If you’re talking about a record, it’s an lp.
 

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The thing that gave albums their pro status was that they were the product of several layers of control. I advised my students not to go overboard on making their music appear to be officially released. It can look like intentional deception. The challenge is to make it sound like a great feat of writing, recording, etc., but without visibly seeming even a bit deceptive. I'm speaking mainly about classical composers.

I'm getting ready to record an album of my blues stuff, so I need to figure out how to walk the tightrope of professional brilliance done on my own. It can be extremely embarrassing when someone calls you out on the deception.

There's no shame in creating a package of your work that sounds professional. But the listener is going to have arrive at their conclusions on their own. Again, it can be embarrassing to be caught being a little deceptive.

When my album "drops," I hope that it sounds like one of the most brilliant, landmark works of recorded music of the early 21st century. But without any "let's pretend." Many, many of us are in the same boat today.

Why not make it sound and look just as good as the “official” records? What makes them “official” and yours not outside of your own insecurity?
 

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i don't think it's a nowadays thing. just read albini's "the "problem with music" from 30 years ago. it was always a broken model for the vast majority. it only works for pushing top 40 sales numbers.

the only people i personally know still releasing physical records on the regular are dance labels, and some of them albeit fairly successful are pretty much just breaking even. sure, there was a time where it was cheap to put CDs out and one could feasibly make some profit, but that was a brief moment in the grand scheme.
Punk rock/noise/metal/goth/industrial/garage/indie are all still putting out physical releases.

The new blu anxxiety lp is great.
 

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Punk rock/noise/metal/goth/industrial/garage/indie are all still putting out physical releases.

The new blu anxxiety lp is great.

Sure. But I feel for a lot of underground rock stuff mostly it’s either tape for the physical, or digital now...actual vinyl being like a “special” once in a while thing. They seem to be a lot more steadfast in the techno/house community.
 

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I guess I haven’t been posting enough lately. What in gawdsname gave the impression that anything I ever say here should be taken seriously?

Way too many angry replies. But apparently I’m the hurt one. This isn’t the other guitar forum. Lighten up, Francis. We’re all good here.
 

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Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas won a whole mess of Grammys for recording and mastering in their house. Their album was released without any additional modification by anyone.

Good post, with a slight nit to pick - outside of Billie and Finneas, the albums were worked on by mixer Rob Kinelski and mastering engineer John Greenham. But you're 100% right that they were recorded and produced in Finneas' bedroom.

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