Unknown Tele date

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  1. bacon137

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    Hi folks,

    Sorry if this is a stupid question. Just trying to learn something about these wonderful guitars.

    A nice vintage tele has come up for auction near me and is listed with serial number 189607 which I believe puts it at 67-68 ish. However, the decal on the headstock looks more 70's?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    My apologies for having one photo, just need a brief idea at what i'm looking at here.
     
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    Looks pre 69

    Has a maple cap board with that logo that puts it between 67-68

    I believe late 67 is when they started using the black logo

    If those kluson tuners are original it’s probably 67

    They started putting f-tuners on models around 66 but the tele kind of lagged behind

    Is there any chance of having the neck taken off
     
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    Thanks!

    It's in an auction house, they are allowing viewings so will take a closer look. Don't think I'll be able to take the neck off unfortunately.

    Have you got any idea what this colour is? (Once again, sorry for what is probably an easy question)

    Oh and also, is the fret wear a damaging feature? Or is it quite nice to have?
     
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    Looks natural to me although it may be a blonde that’s dirty/Smokey from gigs
    If it’s natural it’s probably a refin

    The pickguard isn’t original

    As far as the fretboard wear with all the other wear it doesn’t detract too much, it must be okay if Someone played it that much
     
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    brilliant! True with the playing, see, why didn't I think of that!

    How can you tell the pickguard isn't original?
     
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    Fender didn’t make black pickguards like that till around 76 or so

    It’s possible it’s a fender pickguard it just didn’t come on that guitar
     
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    You've done it again. Thanks for all of your help :)
     
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    Just wanted to op to know the differention of "fret wear" & "fretboard wear". Two different things.

    ...but yes, we understood.
     
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    Well, there was at least ONE Tele that came with a black pickguard in that time frame . . . but it was a little bit of a custom job....Harrison’s rosewood Tele.

    Darn Beatles....always have to be the exception.
     
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    Maple cap neck definitely narrows it down. It looks to me like a stripped solid color refinished in a natural clear nitro. Wood looks like alder, and I don't remember seeing natural wood teles other than ash. Most likely was originally a white guard tele with a later added black Bakelite style pickguard. A lot of folks did that with their guitars.
     
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    Its a kind of faux blackguard. To me its a great chance to bring it back to former glory: white pickguard and a repaint in color.
     
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    All sounds good. Thank you.

    Is the stripped colour a big issue in terms of value? It doesn't really bother me as I quite like it, but thinking down the line.
     
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    Unfortunately it does. Depending on other things it cuts value almost in half over an unmolested example. It's still a several thousand dollar instrument.
     
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    Hi and welcome.

    Nice looking guitar. Looks like it could be good player... as is, (it looks fine as a blackguard lookalike), or restored to its 60s splendour (not a huge task).

    Some more details and pics would be helpful. Can you establish what is original to the guitar - pickups, tuners, etc? any info on that?

    Originality is where the dollar 'value' lies, but if you're looking for something that should sound really good and play well, what you have there is the makings of something that could be a beauty.

    - fretboard wear like that is common on maple and not a big deal.
    - worn frets can serviced or replaced if necessary - and shouldn't be a deal breaker.
     
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    Hi Aardvark, Thanks for the welcome.

    Thats brilliant news thank you. I am going to view this guitar in the next couple of days so will grab some more pictures.

    Yes, as much as value is important, I would like it to play well so its nice to know I have an option for a restoration if I wanted :)
     
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    and read the fine print at the auction house. they will charge up to 30% 'premium' on top of the hammer price.
     
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    to be clear, a 'restoration' ie refinish will never get anywhere near the value of an all original vintage guitar, but it'll be true to the period.
     
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    At least 50% loss (compared to a totally stock one),the missing pickguard is another $300-$400 loss.
     
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    Welcome and let us know if your bid is the winner!
     
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