Twin reverb appreciation thread.

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by chickenwings, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. LuthRavin

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    My back appreciates the fact that I've never had to lug one around..once before joining the Marine Corps, I tried moving one loaded with JBL's after a gig..that was the only time..wait..I saw an older Silver Face one loaded with EV's at a Guitar Center and thought I'd just give the handle a tug up..Jeezus...I'll stick to my awkward Super Reverb as my ultimate limit these days..Semper Fi
     
  2. jwp2

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    My band mate had an old silver face twin with JBL’s and all I can say is thank God it has caster wheels!
    That thing was HEAVY!!!!
     
  3. BobbyZ

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    Riddle me this.
    My girlfriend weighs around a hundred pounds, that's more than either of my Twin Reverbs.
    So why does a TR seem so heavy when I lug one up a flight of stairs and she seems light as feather when I carry her up to the bedroom?
    Maybe it's a live weight/dead weight thing?
     
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    I think it's a "risk/reward" calculation.

    The reward for carrying your girlfriend to the bedroom is far greater...
     
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    Put her in a suitcase and carry her by the handle, not so easy is it? That could be dead weight, I guess.
     
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    I believe your right on the Monday Bobby, it is a live weight/deadweight thing.
     
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    i'm surprised the showman never got more popular. an amp that heavy seems to just be begging to be a head and cab and not a combo.
     
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    Sold this minty BF Twin recently, all original except Filter Caps and 3-prong plug. Nice Jensen’s inside. I’ve owned two BF and three SF Twins and loved them all for what they do so well.

    Now I own a BF Vibrolux Reverb and a BF Deluxe Reverb. They better fit my needs but it’s still very hard to find better cleans, than from a Twin.

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    That is a beautiful BF Twin! Twins have their drawbacks of course, but nothing compares to those cleans.
     
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    Exactly my thoughts!
     
  12. strat a various

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    I think they were pretty popular. I saw them in backlines in casinos, nightclubs, TV studios, showrooms, even churches, all over the country. Showman and Dual Showman was considered a "pro" level amp; I don't figure Fender intended to sell them to hobbyists to play in the den.
     
  13. T Prior

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    Showmans are, were popular, but they were not COMBO's and did not have Reverb as we all know. If we are thinking in post year 2000 terms we are not thinking about the era that both amps were available. 60's / 70's . Nobody had 2 pound 100 watt amps. The original Showmans first had 1x 12, then a 15, not 2 x 12's. Then it had 2 x 15's ! Lord ! Bass players loved them, still do. The Twin was a grab and go. Small , portable, sure, not so lite , it didn't matter.

    The Twin was/is a rugged COMBO , as opposed to the Piggy Back era. Looks and design were equal to performance. As we all know, Leo built the same front end on most of his amps, genius, he changed the power supply and power amp to suit the need. There was a big demand for a smaller than the Showman combo amp for touring guitar players, but the amp had to deliver. It had to be the same , not less.

    These amps, the Fender line, were designed and made for stage use , bands did not have sound systems where they could MIC amps. We barely had a sound system at all and if we did, it was a single mic . OD Pedals were not a popular thing yet, they were used now and then and only for certain songs. They didn't boost volume, they just made us sound "Satisfactiony" "

    The Twin became the ICONIC one piece amp because it DID NOT BREAK UP. Overdrive and distortion meant something was wrong or the amp was not good enough. Deluxe Reverbs were not considered good amps back then, they were considered LESS THAN needed. Princeton's were not even a consideration for any stage use.

    The era matters. Weight didn't matter. The amp mattered. The performance of the amp mattered. Weight was an artifact of the requirement.

    Some would suggest that Twin lovers are living in the past, maybe so, but they are still relevant today, 60 + years later ! That wasn't by accident.

    What we have witnessed was history in the making. Those Fender amps, the entire lineup, is the references for ALL amps today. 5 watts to 100 watts. IF Twin lovers are living in the past, how is it we have RI amps, DR's, PR's even TR's ? Apparently Fender revived the past ! Thats a good thing !

    Today, many of us tend to lean towards 40 pounds as being a MAX for a combo, me as well. But the fact of the matter is a 40 or 50 watt combo coming in at 40 or 45 pounds, is NOT a Twin. Some of them come close, but none of them can match a Twin in total CLEAN or EQ performance. "Clean" is really not even a much of a requirement anymore so the smaller amps can do the job. The closest amp I have owned ( still do ) in comparison is a late 90's 2 x 12 Deville. Strong , rugged, very clean, very heavy ! I lugged it into a gig last week, I was reminded just how glorious a "CLEAN" amp out of the gate really is. Night and day compared to the smaller lower powered relatives.

    Regarding the Showman, think of that amp another way, what came first, the 4x6L6 platform Showman head, or the 50/100 watt Marshalls, Dr Z's, and every other amp head known to mankind ? I think the Showman made it's mark !

    Leo dun good ! :)
     
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    Once you get into the silverface years then the TR was available in different configurations. They used the same chassis in the Showman Reverb, Super Six, Quad Reverb. Same amp electrically just the name on the faceplate changed with each configuration.
    The only difference on the schmatic is the VR used an 8 ohm output transformer for the single 15" speaker. Some may have just used a 4 ohm speaker I'm not sure. Only have one schmatic and there were different 15" speakers.
    At any rate the Twin Reverb had to be the best seller, because those are every where and the others seldom pop up. Showman Reverb would be my guess for second place.
     
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    Fender PA 100 head, 70s 100W tube pa, is great for guitar and bass. I use it with an Avatar 2x12 cab. It was designed as a public address system and is fine for vocals. It has 4 channels that can be jumpered.

    This is the amp my son learned to play on and he thinks it has the best sound and I would agree.

    YMMV
     
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    Back in '75 or so I bought a brand new Twin and use to stack it on top of my Bandmaster cabinet (the tall one). God knows how I ever got it up there but hey, I was 20 years old.
    More recently I picked up a '70 Twin to compete with my bandmate's Marshall stack at outdoor gigs.
    It's above and beyond my recollection, and awesomer than any of my other amps, even when played at practice volumes. I have more money into it than I'll ever get back so I'll never sell it.

    Someday the grandkids will show their friends and say, "My grandpa is way cooler than yours. He plays a Twin Reverb!"
     
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    I love my twin :) it's the most beautiful beast I've played, everybody needs a twin :) it's not too loud .. it can .. but it's not a rule, about the weight .. so .. you go to a place where you pay to lift heavy objects, that comes for free with a twin :D

    What i love is the "endless" reservoir of "horses" readily available as soon as you start pushing the gas, the readyness and the great dynamics you can get from it, everything under you fingertips with the volume knob.

    After i bought it after going a LOT back and forth with the misconceptions, i started to understand it, it's a great amp with great classic tones, you can get a lot out of it.

    get one and call it a day :)

    ps .. i have a 72 SF, and i'd so much like a black face too :)
     
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    to people also familiar with the musicman hd-130 - how do they compare to each other?
     
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    I have had this amp for 35 years. I bought it in 83/84 when I was twenty-five. Guitars and amps have come and gone but I always kept this one. It has become a touchstone now. One of the few things I still have from my youth. It is a late 70's with a pull-volume switch. The reverb has been replaced and the tech replaced all the capacitors. He cleaned and checked everything and put in new power tubes, it speaks with authority now. I have thought about replacing the speakers, something lighter, but still sounds good, thoughts?
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    my neighbor has an original 64. it was given to him by the family of a good friend who had passed away. I think it is the best sounding amp I've ever plugged in to.
     
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