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TV shows with no moral anchors.

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  1. jondanger

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    Off topic: look at this Totoro mural in my neighborhood! Totoro is my favorite. I wish I had been wearing my Totoro shirt when I stumbled across it.

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    No one want to see good guys being good. It is all about the catharsis. they did that in theatre plays for as long as ... people began to act ? It has been a while.
     
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    Dude, you're tempting me .... they were brutal slave traders. I said it, enough said already.
     
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    For me there's a big difference between a show about morally compromised or bankrupt characters and a show that is itself morally bankrupt. I don't think it's a fair critique to say the Breaking Bad, Sopranos or Mad Men lack a moral anchor, as all three of those shows make pretty unambiguous statements about the consequences of their lead characters moral failings.

    Shows that just wallow in bad behavior or don't have any real point are the ones that drive me crazy. It's why I eventually gave up on The Walking Dead when it became pointless misery porn.
     
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    Oh...I read the OP's title thinking about news anchors. Certainly no morals there!
     
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    The world is filled with morally bankrupt characters. I don't mind seeing it in fiction if it's DONE WELL. I loved GOT, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Wentworth, Ozark, Snowfall etc.

    I dislike gore for the sake of gore. Medical dramas (even on local TV) ends up with doctors with their hands in what appears to be hamburger when they are operating etc. FAR too much of that in shows. You dont really need it to tell the story well in most instances.

    News, especially from the big 4 networks is about the most morally bankrupt TV out there IMHO. It's not journalism. It's fake headlines for selling commercials. ABC News, David Muir is the worst of the worst. In a half hour show there is about 15-18 mins or so of content. Most of the content is a head line that is misleading. He mentions a headline every 5 mins and when the "story" finally comes near the end... It's just the same headline! No content!
     
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    This is the point exactly. This is life.
     
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    Good point. I quit TWD too, and it does have a very different tone from the other shows mentioned. Maybe patience is my problem then, because I don't feel like wading through miles of sewage for the payoff at the end. I feel like a good show will give you someone or something to hold onto as you traverse the darkness. Like Virgil to Dante.
     
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    We had a really hard time trying to watch Outlander. I already basically know what went centuries ago. I don't need to be reminded of that. I don't want to see some kid getting his ear nailed to a board for stealing.
     
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    OTOH, there are WWAAYYY too many comic book movies, with simplistic good versus evil plots. *yawn*
     
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    I don't know the show, BUT- my local community radio station played the theme once, and I hunted it down. It's amazingly fantastic :cool:
     
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    No clue. I stopped watching mainstream TV about 20 years ago and haven't missed it and, from the sounds of it, I haven't missed anything anyway ;)
     
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    Study a little history and you will find that every civilization and society at that time fit this description.
     
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    I'd like to take issue with saying Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad don't have a moral anchor. In GoT, the entire world is destroyed as a consequence of the morally bankrupt decisions of the main characters. There are a huge number of immoral players and most of them are brought low as a direct result of the choices they have made.

    Breaking Bad is a morality play worthy of Shakespeare. Walter White, because of fear, weakness and cowardice, sets his foot on a slippery slope and becomes a monster, step by step. He destroys the people he loves even as he tries to save them. Watching his slow-motion trek down this grotesque path serves as a stern warning about the nature of humanity and the frailty of each of us.

    That's not to say there are no amoral or immoral shows, Sopranos and Black List come to mind in that these are specifically designed to get us to identify with evil people.

    Finally, I would refer you to a current movie on Netflix called “I Care a Lot”. I won’t ruin the ending for you but up until the last scene, the main character seems to be mostly immune to the consequences of her actions until, well, she isn’t.
     
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    Not to the extreme the Vikings took it. You are absolutely dead wrong.

    Edit: And, I think you you need to study more history.
     
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    Which is kind of strange, as the actor who portrayed him, is pretty much blacklisted for racist comments during Stand-Up.

    He did a spot or two ( sing: 'awk-ward...' ) on Curb Your Enthusiasm*

    * the sourceof the lack of moral compass on Seinfeld ( Larry David)
     
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    Judge Ragnar in the context of his culture, not ours. Judging "dirtbags" in the context of our culture reveals just how diffuse the line separating right from wrong has become. I can deal with this. My kids abide by personal codes which for the most part I approve of. My granddaughter is being raised in a tolerant religious culture but I fear for what happens when she encounters those who think there's nothing more important than themselves.
     
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    GoT has something that, for me, is even more enjoyable that just straight up good guys. It has redemptive character arcs. Two of them, if I recall. I could be wrong, but I just didn't see any redemptive character arcs in the works for Vikings.
     
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    I certainly know what the OP is talking about. My wife and I have pretty different interests, so picking a show to enjoy together in the first place is an issue. More and more, we'll get a few episodes into a show and realize there is not one character that's likable, no one to pull for.
     
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    Boy, that Shakespeare guy has a lot of moral ambiguity!





     
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