Tried The Tone Master Deluxe Reverb Today

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  1. PCollen

    PCollen Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    In that respect, you are correct. Fender can charge whatever they want for either. We know the price that the market will bear for the DRRI. For the TM, it is still TBD and I would be very surprised if the 899 price, and even the amp itself, is maintained as is over time. We'll see.
     
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    Why should they? The whole point of having a can of Tinkertoys on the bench is so you can build more-complex projects without having to reinvent a whole lot of wheels. That's the only way to make progress without devoting an army of people to it.

    I'm pretty sure Fender didn't design and build every tube, resistor, capacitor, switch and power light used in its tube amps, either. Why hold them to a different standard for digital?

    I've done DSP systems for RF and am aware of what's on the market for that field. Audio's not my thing, but if these programs are so well-established, point us at a couple of them. Is somebody selling a really good EL84 model as a library?

    Who's saying that? I'll say they did R&D, and the amount isn't relevant. They made something new (or new to them, since other companies have done the same thing).
     
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  3. Ironwolf

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    Didn't read Stilwel's post, did you.

    It might help you know what your talking about.
     
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    I am not in the market for an amp at the moment because I am pretty happy with my Katana 50, but I don't quite get the point of further discussion here. It seems like the consensus among those who actually have the new Tonemaster amps is that they do what they are supposed to do, and quite well. They might be a tad expensive, but they might not. Then there are those who like glowing tubes and heavy transformers better, for all the traditional reasons, which is entirely understandable and expected. I found this discussion interesting, but now it seems to be going in circles. I don't think anybody is going to change their mind at this point.
     
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    Especially considering 98% of the comments are from people who have not actually heard this amp....
     
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    FMIC invented ****ing the oldest OS (originally) program in the book for spectral analysis?

    Right in your own damn video:



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    Sonic Visualiser, a FREE TO THE PUBLIC analysis suite that allows you to compute a truck load of spectral data for your own algorithms.

    https://sonicvisualiser.org/download.html

    Also, context, understand that I was responding to the assertion that Tube Amps were simply slapped together existing schematics and didn't require R&D which is total bull**** if you want to sell them internationally.



    At this point, I won't debate further, you love your company and I'm sure you guys worked hard on this thing.
     
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    A twin with 15 kilos is a very very very seductive idea....
     
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    Pace a certain current thread, I don't it was released as a kilogram model.
     
  9. tele12

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    I don't need to hear it to know the feature set is not what I want from a digital amp at that price point.
     
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    We don't have time for facts, we have opinions to form!!!
     
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    You’re talking about development tools. Every dev team in the world uses tools and IDE’s.

    We use dev tools for analysis, but they don’t write the code for you.
    The spectral analysis tool in the video was used to view and analyze the impulses of the spring reverb tank that our engineers captured. It doesn’t create them.

    I watched the video again and I don't see the engineer claiming that he created Sonic Visualizer, so I guess I don’t understand your complaint.
    That’s like saying a writer can’t use a desktop publishing app or an artist can't use photoshop because they didn't create those tools.

    Anyway, I hope everyone has an opportunity to try these amps and form their own opinions based on first-hand experience.
    So far the response has been overwhelmingly positive.
     
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    Thanks for taking your time to explain all this.
     
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    You can let your compadres know that there are a few tube heads here that have tried them and purchased them because we recognize the near miracle they have produced. You can all be damned proud of your work.
     
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    Yeah, put down as another one in that category. The TMTR has retired a high end, hand built tube amp for me. As a live performance tool the greater flexibility and decreased weight on top of the superior tone sealed the deal. Good work on this one.
     
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    Yeah. I bet Fender didn't grow the timber or bake the bricks to house their building either, let alone assemble, furnish, run electric and plumb the building themselves. Posers!






    ... do I need to add a "Sarcasm Alert" sign?
     
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    Oh, I didn't realize those were development tools that everyone uses, thanks for explaining that? You said specifically "No playing around with existing software" which is exactly the opposite of how 95% of companies develop DSP audio tools.

    But, can't respond to the obvious, can we?


    It's almost as if, when creating a signal processor, that's exactly what every company from Waldorf to Eventide to hundreds of others do, which was my entire point. And, yes, when you code these things you certainly build on the past which is programming 101. I was part of the development for many processes in the FFT analysis algorithms in Max that many used in creating, specifically, their convolution reverb algorithms.


    The consensus in this thread that some miracle was created from beyond the hinterlands by FMIC because they put SO MUCH R&D into this product that it must be sold at a loss is a joke. Lawd forbid I point out this is a pretty common process in developing DSP standalones. And, yes, even basic reverb processors can take years of analysis/coding/development to get to market. Same goes for signal generators.

    Thanks NASA, I mean, FMIC.


    It's a signal processor. There are hundreds of them on market, some just emulate one thing or process, some hundreds of them.

    Anyways, it's a losing battle pointing that this is, again, a signal processor and will be deemed obsolete in due time just like the Cyber Twin long after everyone dealt with the random patch skipping, chip film issues, encoders skipping like crazy. Sure, it's a neat product, but every time it's been done it's deemed a REVOLUTION by the company doing it. Great.

    Then, when the market doesn't bear them being fixed they end up in the dumpster whilst said company proclaims "going green." Yay.

    Just like my mistake of pointing out FMIC changing the finishes on American Originals the fanboys jumped on me real hard for that one, heretic I am. Now it's accepted as fact.

    Let's meet back here in a decade and share our tales of the tone master revolution.
     
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    Marketing is not equal to development!
    I've seen many tube amps released that are also marketed as a REVOLUTION ;)
     
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  19. t-luxe

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    No thanks.
    Defensive much?
    LOL!

    No thanks.
     
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    I am a painfully average player, but I know what sounds good to me. I’ve played on a vintage Twin and I’ve played a new Tonemaster..and I thought the Tonemaster was super nice. It sounded great to my ears, loved the weight, different watt settings etc and think the folks at Fender knocked this out of the park. Will be getting a TM Deluxe as soon as possible, even though I currently have a DRRI.
     
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