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Toward a unified theory of Prog Rock

Discussion in 'Music to Your Ears' started by jondanger, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. jondanger

    jondanger Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    My bros text thread had a spirited debate today on the essence of Prog Rock. Is it the virtuosity? The grandiose lyrics? The incorporation of classical elements? What makes a song/album/artist Prog?

    Is Kate Bush Prog? What about Roxy Music? Early Genesis but not late Genesis? What about Pink Floyd? Tull?

    What say ye, fellow overthinkers?
     
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    no dates in high school is my guess
     
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    Band name alert?
    Or already taken?

    Already Taken
    Band name alert?
     
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    I changed it before you quote-posted it :)
    also, OP- my apologies, I thought you were asking broadly "what makes a prog band"
     
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    I'd say these elements situated within a decidedly 'rock' carcass, without proclivity for 'free' jazz. However, jazz fusion can get there too, but with the added element of 'soul', a defacto delineation from any and all contemporary progressive rock. How about changing the name to proto-post-rock? No, I did not over think this, whatsoever.
     
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    Well, I thought "art-rock" was a better description.

    I don't know that its practitioners set out to be something labeled as this or that, but just wanted to make unique music.
     
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    jondanger ... please be aware Kate Bush should always be referred to by her correct title as HRH Kate ;) .... and she is way to unique to be compartmentalised as Prog Rock!

    Now, Bjork .... ???
     
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    :lol:
     
  9. jondanger

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    One of my friends is incensed by my inclusion of Kate Bush and Roxy Music, and I think it is because the term has acquired a pejorative connotation, but I think that both of those artists fit the virtuosity, grandiose lyrics, and incorporation of classical elements criteria pretty well.

    I think this is hitting some important points:

    Rock band format
    Scripted - not improvised for the most part
    Funk/soul elements de-emphasized
     
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    Typo? Did you mean withOUT? because that would make mucho more sense, to me

    wait, nevermind, I misread, hahaha
     
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    Prog was created to legitimize/validate the musicianship of it's practitioners, IMO.
    It's delusions of grandeur, and, uh, thought-provoking lyrics guaranteed it did not rock, IMO.
    Fancy for fancy's sake, IMO.
    I ain't sayin' I didn't like it, I did.
    Flash, Focus, Wishbone Ash (?), and yes, Yes were my favorites.
    I liked Yes solely for Steve Howe's brilliant acoustic playing, I greatly disliked his electric playing, both in tone and content.
    I always wanted to backhand Jon Anderson.
    Pretense incarnate, IMO.
    I digress.
    I'm glad it had it's day, I'm glad that day is over.
     
  12. jondanger

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    The Kick Inside is Prog, and I think The Dreaming would qualify. Maybe a per album basis is more appropriate?
     
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    Prog/Conceptual/unique .... whatever, but ultimately its all good stuff :cool:
     
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    Progressive people listened to it. When progress declined so did the music.
     
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    prog rock is anything that is not a 1451 shuffle

    I love Genesis

    Kate Bush gets on my nerves: she reminds me of psychologically unstable librarians

    maybe I'm unfair, could be

    Pink Floyd is its own thing, like the Grateful Dead

    Tull never made it to our lands

    Yes was two or three songs and a bong party thrown by gifted kids on a bender

    I love it all, frankly

    the biggest thing was the feeling as a young person that the musical possibilities were endless, that you didn't have to be an old blues guy to be interesting

    you just had to be just inside the "silly" line
     
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    I know, I know. I ramble off stuff with huge typos all the time so I had to do a double take.
     
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    For me its any music that its within rock form, it have intricate musical passages but its not improvised, have cool elaborated artwork, it must have keyboards and synths and intelligent lyrics.

    So, by that standards, it's Zappa prog?

    It's complicated to define progressive rock music as a genre!
     
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    I think he is!
     
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    What would Zappa have said?
     
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    "shut up and play yer guitar"
     
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