Tone controls are useless and I demand they all be replaced with a volume.

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  1. Zesty feline

    Zesty feline Tele-Holic

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    I officially demand this of all users for their own benefit, thoughts?
     
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    You OK?
     
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  3. Strum und Twang

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    What's the frequency, Kenneth?
     
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    overlock Tele-Afflicted

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    Cutting the high frequencies is the key to getting magical tones out of some pickups - P90s, for instance. And to get the two pickups balanced on a Les Paul, you need to be able to dial the icepick out of the bridge pup. Playing a Tele through a naturally bright amp, I wouldn't want to be without a tone control on the guitar.
     
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  5. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Tele Axpert Ad Free Member

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    All an amp needs is a plug. Control the rest from the guitar.
     
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    Tommy Biggs Friend of Leo's

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    It's like you're from another continent! :)

    I dig the tone control. With a bright amp it's a big help to take a little of the edge off. Just a quarter turn is often perfect.

    On a Les Paul, setting one pickup with the tome rolled all the way off, then using the middle , and blending the volumes- very expressive. So sweet for slide.

    So, I'm sorry - I'll have to vote against your demand. (this is a democracy, right?)
     
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  7. Dan R

    Dan R Poster Extraordinaire

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    I knew a guy who had his old 67 tele rewired as two volume controls. Since this is only useful in the middle position, it's pretty limited. I need my tone control.
     
  8. bricksnbeatles

    bricksnbeatles Tele-Afflicted

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    In some cases I agree. The only time I ever really use my tone control is if I'm using a fuzz pedal and want to get more of a "sine wave" sound, or very rarely I'll actually use it for the case of cutting treble. If given the choice, I'd always use a nice eq pedal over the tone control.
     
  9. Wrong-Note Rod

    Wrong-Note Rod Poster Extraordinaire

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    There were gigs where i had the guitar volume on 10 all the time, the tone controls disconnected and not used... and did everything thru picking dynamics and boost pedals.

    One could argue that even volume knobs are .... optional.
     
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    But how else are Jazz musicians supposed to pre-warn audiences if they don't roll the tone control immediately to zero?
     
  11. william tele

    william tele Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Get a good amp...

    Get a good guitar...

    Play the ****er!
     
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    Coach56 One of the Boys

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    Well the first couple guitars I wired up pretty much ended up being nothing but a volume knob.

    My Strat sits around 2 most of the time, so I will have to disagree, at least for them.
     
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    If you mean tone controls on the guitar, then I admit that I am very under-impressed by the tone controls on my current guitar and others I have played. They all seem to be like throwing a blanket over the amp to some degree. Maybe I just haven't had the right combination of pot & capacitor for the pickups.

    I'm working on a build now that will be push pull normal tone circuit and Bill lawrence q filter. It will be interesting to see how that works.

    Just thinking about it, I could dig playing a tele with no tone control into a tweed champ (no tone controls there either). Lots of good variety with picking/muting technique and judicious application of the volume control.
     
  14. Zesty feline

    Zesty feline Tele-Holic

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    By using the neck pickup.
     
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    I use my tone quite a lot. Volume at 7 for cleans, 10 for dirt, tone to dial it in.
     
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    Suppose you want a 'glassy' neck sound, while also getting 'Jazzy' tones at other times...

    Tone controls kind of suck until you replace those 22nF, 33nF, 47nF caps with smaller values in the 2nF-10nF range. Then they become one of the most useful controls, especially with pickups that start with more high end content. I use a 2.7nF cap with my Filtertrons and 2nF cap with my noiseless single coils to dial in PAF humbucker tones by shifting the peak resonant frequency from ~6000hz down to ~2000hz. That's not something one can do with their fingers, no matter how talented. That's also not something you can do with the more common 22nF-47nF tone caps, either.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    meric Tele-Holic

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    Sorry zesty....I need them both......options man....options....
     
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    no, thats rolled to zero as well.
     
  20. Zesty feline

    Zesty feline Tele-Holic

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    Lots of people are saying you can adjust the EQ etc, but I just do all that at the amplifier, I only have one rocking dist sound, then I use the volume knob for clean/mild overdrive, to get the bass and tones similar to a tone control I can merely use the neck pickup or middle position which is better anyway since it picks up the actual vibration of the string.

    Then again it's all personal preference and doesn't matter I just personally feel this way for my style of playing.
     
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