Tokai Telecaster with seemingly fake Fender headstock

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  1. CarlvGent

    CarlvGent TDPRI Member

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    I found a 1982 black Japanese Telecasted with a rosewood fretboard online and I am having trouble identifying it, due to the headstock. The guitar looks like this:

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    The seller told me that it's a Tokai (a Japanese brand that made high quality Fender knock offs during the 80s). This seems to check out, as I have identified it as a Tokai ATE 48, which looks like this:

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    The only thing wrong with it seems to be the headstock. A (rather blurry) close up of the headstock:

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    Does anyone here have any experience with Tokai telecasters or fake Fender headstocks?
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  2. Chunkocaster

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    That logo looks terrible, not a deal breaker though. The nut and neck look about as old as the guitar is supposed to be. As long as it's going for around the value a lower priced Tokai tele from that era goes for its worth considering imo. If its on fleabay get the seller to state that it's original tokai etc so you are covered for a return and refund if its not as stated.

    That Tokai ATE 48 pic looks totally different to the used guitar listed though.

    I would have thought it would have a BreezySound logo or something similar from that era.
     
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    Thanks for the response! Why do you think it doesn't look like an ATE 48?
    The logo does indeed look terrible, I wonder what they were thinking..
    Should I ask the seller to check the back of the guitar for Tokai logos? Maybe on the neck plate?

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    The headstock shape is different and there is a rosewood insert for the truss rod on the sale listed guitar but not on that stock photo. I'm no expert on tokai's though. If you ask over on MLP forum there used to be a bunch of guys there that know every little detail on Older MIJ guitars like Tokai teles etc.
     
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    Thanks for the advice! I'll go over there.
    Do you think it's possible that they changed the entire neck?

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    It's possible. Its also likely a well played 82 guitar would have needed a refret at some point so maybe rather than refret they just changed necks? I'm guessing though. Best to get solid advise from those who have owned that guitar model so would know if that neck looks original to the guitar. I hope its at the cheap end. Don't get too caught up in the whole vintage mania. Make sure the frets are good, original pickups etc. If it all turns out to be legit you could get a period correct Tokai logo for it and apply it then refinish the headstock to get it looking original. You want to keep price in mind though. Could work out a better option to just find a clean original Tokai.
     
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    D_W_PGH Friend of Leo's

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    I'd avoid it. Too many questions, and is there an indication as to whether this is a China made tokai or an older Japanese guitar?

    Not to mention there are fake Chinese tokais.
     
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    In my opinion that is not a Tokai neck at all. The headstock shape is wrong – in 1982 Tokai guitars for the European market had the same headstock shape as genuine Fenders. The cheap low-quality tuners are not the ones Tokai used either. Also, that neck has 22 frets, which is not something Tokai did.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the whole guitar itself was a mediocre oriental copy and nothing to do with Tokai. My advice: leave it and walk away.
     
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    Not a Tokai nor Fender!
     
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    And the six saddle bridge was probably never on an 82 Tokai..I could be wrong though, I frequently am..

    An 82 Tokai should blow your mind, so if it's anything less than stellar, I'd give it a big miss..
     
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    It's not even apparently the bridge on the more recent ate 48 from China.

    It looks like a shartscaster.
     
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    If it were me I'd sand off that terrible fake Fender decal and get a better-looking fake Fender decal for it.
     
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    That is not an old Tokai. So, the claim that it's from the 80's is false. Whether the buyer knows he's wrong, and is lying, or not, is really unimportant. It's a run-of-the-mill Chinese thing, cheaply made and not likely to be a quality guitar. Just don't pay more than a $100 for it and don't expect much.
     
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    If you were still wondering, the Tokai has 21 frets, the other one 22.
     
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    That is a rather phalloid headstock shape
     
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    I am always amazed when someone goes to the trouble of:
    * copying a guitar
    * manufacturing many of them
    * making the effort to market them (even if it's within illegal channels)
    * shipping said guitars

    And nobody at the outset had enough energy to take a picture of the real thing and blow up the headstock part of the picture to real size so that it would actually look the same.

    They did all of the hard part and skipped the easy part.
     
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    You should avoid that guitar because the neck is way out of spec compared to other Tokai Telecasters I have seen.

    Not enough detail in the picture to comment on the body, but it looks sketchy, too, with that bridge on there.
     
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    Agreed, not an '82 Tokai or even close.
    I'll add that the Tokai would have heel adjust truss rod in addition to what others already mentioned.
     
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