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Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Grateful Ape, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. J-bass&Tele

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    Two of my favorite bands I've played with had horn sections. But a couple of the toughest gigs with those bands (on the ears and hearing a good band mix) were in rooms with hardwood floors and brick walls. Trebley horn stabs bouncing around can be brutal.
     
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  2. TeleTex82

    TeleTex82 Friend of Leo's

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    That's interesting, I've played all kinds of rooms and outdoor venues with my BCA and never had an issue with thin or pinky sound. What were the Master and Volume settings?
     
  3. Grateful Ape

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    Sparkle clean module, clean channel vol about eleven o'clock, master about midday
     
  4. TeleTex82

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    I don't have any experience with the SCTC but I have found that the amp sounds best when cranking the Master Volume and then adjusting the volume to suit the mix/room.
     
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    For what it’s worth I always ran mids, treble, and presence on my BCA very high with a band (an we were loud). It’s a dark amp IMO. But I never had trouble cutting through and I always used either the 15w or 45w setting.

    I ran bass at 9 o’clock, mids at 2 o’clock, treble 1-3 o’clock depending on room and presence at 1-2 o’clock. That was stock with no tone capsule.

    Can’t say I’ve ever played with horns though.
     
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    And I see this thread has brought out the tube police. Get thee some glass, now!!
     
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    Phrygian77 Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    I think a lot of what I'd say about room and band mix has already been said.

    As a gigging guitarist, I'll add my two cents:
    1. In almost all cases, in a room, you should have your amp angled up at your ears.
    2. In my experience, open back fills the room better if you're unmiked. Everyone and your band mates will hear you better.
    3. If you don't have a dedicated person running sound, or someone who can provide feedback on the band mix, a wireless system helps tremendously. You can walk out into the room to hear yourself and the mix.
     
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  8. SRHmusic

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    Ok, a horn section in a bright room is a different story than most. It must be very loud in there. No PA? What is the target venue for the performance? Also, was it that you could not hear it, or that no one could hear it?
    Edit- And you were into the high input, not the low?

    For a stock BCA, I don't hear a change in clean to breakup with the master up to about 5. The breakup/distortion can be managed nicely with the volume and gain controls.

    On the other hand, I never run the master above about 5. That's the advantage of mic'ing into the PA. Keeps the stage volume managable. (I hate being in front of an amp that's trying to fill a large room. That's what PAs are for.)

    FWIW here are my typical settings for classic rock, and mic'ing to the PA.

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  9. telemnemonics

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    You're making my point for me!

    Buy a good amp but need a cheap EQ pedal to make it sound "good"?

    Wrong amp!

    I know I know I'm being a dick...
     
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    Good point separating You can't hear your from Nobody can hear you.

    My problem is virtually always that everybody except me hears me just fine.
    Or when I can hear myself I'm asked to turn down.
    Even with amps up on table and/ or angled etc, my hearing is shot and it's just hard to hear details in a loud room, where precise bending or vibrato is stuff I need to hear to do well.
    And of course staying close to my amp to hear myself just damages my ears more.
     
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  11. nedorama

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    You didn't mention your settings, but while you may need more amp, your amp settings will also have a difference. Back off the overdrive and or gain and make sure the mids aren't scooped. Many of us are used to playing at home with more gain, which disappears when you're playing in a room unless you have a lot of wattage behind it...
     
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  12. J-bass&Tele

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    He did mention his settings...
     
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    Just wait. Someone will post, "tonight the bottles let me down" :(
     
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    The bottle never lets me down...

     
  15. SRHmusic

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    Well, if you get a new amp, you probably need to push more air, so perhaps one of these options with a few more speakers. :lol:

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  16. schmee

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    Open back should not be an issue, but yeah, just not enough amp there maybe... Isn't that amp 80w ? SS though... but still it ought to get you there.
    What speaker? Maybe you just need a good loud speaker. Many stock speakers are terrible. I only use open back amps, even outdoors.
    Loud robust speakers:
    Weber 12F150
    Emi R W & B
    Emi 1258
    plenty of others...
     
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  17. Grateful Ape

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    One thing I noticed today is how much high end come out of the rear of that amp. I'll ensure the back isn't too close to a hard wall next time
     
  18. Grateful Ape

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    I go for clean sounds. I'm playing guitar in a Fela Kuti/Afrobeat group, so think 'James Brown'
     
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    big rooms swallow amps.......send it through the monitor
     
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    the tiling is the problem; & putting the amp on hard floor? (no combo will sound good like that; like ever)

    A thick carpet underneath the amp changes everything



     
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