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Today I ran out of amp...

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Grateful Ape, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. Grateful Ape

    Grateful Ape Tele-Afflicted

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    First rehearsal in a year. Big room, socially distanced, all hard, reflective surfaces. No reverb needed...

    Took my blues cube. That thing is loud and usually thick-sounding. Yet today it was horribly thin and plinky.

    I'm guessing a big part of this was because it was an open backed 1*12 in the wrong environment? Tried it on floor and on a chair. Little difference.
     
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  2. rickthescot

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    Sounds like there is a NAD in your future.
     
  3. Grateful Ape

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    Uh oh.

    But... what's the specific problem here?

    I wonder if taking two 1*12's would sort it? Then again, they're both open backed.
     
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    No stop. You're going to screw up a perfectly good reason to buy an amp.
     
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  5. telemnemonics

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    Amp EQ?

    Other players gear?

    I never liked Roland amps but many do.
    When a fairly loud amp doesn't cut it, I look at EQ first.
    Contrary to popular theory, a 50w SS amp is not even half as loud as a classic 50w Marshall.

    And an 85w Twin is not as loud as a four hole 50w Marshall either, mostly due to EQ but also because a 50w Marshall is 50w down at clean volume and gets louder as you turn it about that max clean volume which is "2" on the dial.
     
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    kbold Friend of Leo's

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    Maybe you just woke up today feeling all thin and plinky.

    Tomorrow may be better.
     
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    So a thick sounding amp in a thick sounding mix, any other louder thick sounds will drown out your thick sound.

    If you only heard the thin plinky portion of the amps tone, that suggests there was more space in the mix for a cutting upper mids focus guitar tone.

    a thick sounding amp tone is the opposite of a cutting tone.
    Hard to say but it's possible that simply cutting the bass setting, and boosting treble and maybe upper mids if that can be adjusted, would make you "louder" in the mix.

    Bridge pickup or neck pickup?
     
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    loopfinding Friend of Leo's

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    my first gig with my 15 watter 1x12 was with amplified cello and clarinet. i had to actually dial the attenuator a little farther down than halfway.

    the next one was unmic'ed with a rock band with two guitars, electronics, bass, and drums...i was full bore the whole time and still buried, and it wasn't even super loud rock either.
     
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  9. straightlbues

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    First, maybe you were playing way too loud. Sometimes volume can creap way up in those situations without knowing it. You don't have any visual clues like folks getting closer to be heard and such. Tell everyone to lower their volume.

    Every room is different. Things that sound great in one room might sound bad in the next. Things absorb and reflect sounds. Some rooms are bright while others are dead. Adjust angles of the amps and you in relation to the amp. Adjust the eq on your amp and pedals to compensate. This is a reason that i usually bring a tele and a humbucker guitar to gigs. I try to bring two amps as well.
     
  10. Wayne Alexander

    Wayne Alexander Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    All the clues you need are in your opening post - two words -- 'big room'. A 30W solid state amp will get buried when a 15W-30W good tube amp won't. 1x12 isn't the issue, power is. For a solid state amp to match the realistic volume in a band mix of a Vox AC30 or Bad Cat Black Cat 30, you'd need 100W of solid state at least.
     
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    Open back cabs are usually brighter sounding, but it might still beef it up a bit.
     
  12. Zepfan

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    I'm building myself a separate speaker cab with a 12" Eminence Cannabis Rex speaker and I'm leaning toward putting a hinged back on it to swing open as much as I need or clamp shut. Maybe that's something you could try? Have you ever tried turning the amp around or facing it into a corner?
     
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    It's the Artist. 85w.

    Tele, neck pickup.

    Ok, next time, I'll take my YCV40.and my strat.
     
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    No, will try
     
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    Two words: Speaker efficiency (it's the other half of the amp vs. speakers output 'equation').
    Speakers matter.

    ..Meanwhile, maybe boost your signal (into the amp) and tweak EQ settings as well (?)


    Edit:

    Roland V-12 speaker info page:
    https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003880171-Blues-Cube-Amp-Speaker-Specifications

    Curiously, no efficiency/sensitivity info is offered.

    Grateful Ape, if you google 'Blues Cube/Artist speaker upgrade' (or swap, etc) you'll see a plethora of matches come back.. (apparently, that is a common undertaking for that amp). :)
     
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    I was happy with a Cube 60X and 80XL, till I played with a loud band. I disappeared. The other guitarist loaned me a tube amp with half the wattage, no effects, etc. Proof is always in the pudding.
     
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    Ive said it before ill say it again,Tubes rule.
     
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    had a similar occurrence a few weeks ago. my blues cube sounded great sitting in my lonely room. got it out took it to the bass players house it just sucked. next day traded it off got a new fender blues jr. for about 300 bucks out the door.

    happy happy happy :)



    IMO the blues cube just doesnt have the mojo to push your sound into nirvana when its faced with competing signal waves of bass and drums.

    its a practice amp for the bedroom. best left there too.
     
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  19. cyclopean

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    Open backs throw sound differently. i don’t think they’re necessarily louder or not depending on where your’e standing. Closed backs are beamier.
     
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    They’re ok, but chances are a jazz chorus would have been way more audible. This seems like a wattage and speaker efficiently problem, not ss vs tube.
     
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