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Evening folks! I just got through the first two weeks with my new main axe and was excited enough to talk about it. Maybe get some opinions.

Let me begin by saying I am pretty partial to vintage (pre-CBS, pre-58) Tele's, Strats and Esqy's. For me to break with tradition and use anything else is just not heard of. But it's a sketchy business toting around a 60+ year old guitar worth $$$, and I wanted something that had the same feel and vibe.

My first attempt was a failure. Tried buying a Kelton Swade, but that ended up in a big, wet mess and I'd rather not deal with that level of drama in my life right now. He almost had what I was looking for though. Just not up to the quality I come to expect in a guitar that stoopid costly. (for being basically an All Parts or some other similar assembled axe that is) What the guy at K Swade guitars gets right is the killer setup and feel. Maybe finishes, but that's highly debatable. Anywho...

I was trying to find a place to dump the two Swades I ended up with, and discovered this TMG brand at a place called Rogue Guitar up in Oregon.

Initially, I was drawn to their EXTREMELY realistic paint checking techniques. Never seen anything like it. If you put a paper bag over their weird little headstock, and handed one of their "T" or "S" style guitars to an expert, they'd have a hard time at first determining what they had. I've only seen this technique used by one, maybe two other luthiers out there, and their instruments are in the $6-8K range. So my first attraction is their ability to relic a guitar that nicely. It's funny, every time I pick it up, a little part of my brain says "be CAREFUL with that 65 year old finish!", and my brain has been partially tricked into believing this thing is part of my vintage collection.

I guess I'd also include Fano (or anyone over at the PGB) in the list of people who can really "check" a guitars finish realistically.

The TMG I ordered has a unique neck profile. This is THE perfect neck for my hand. It has the heft of a soft V, but it's more a D shape, and I'm not even sure how to describe how good it feels to me. I have average large hands and prefer bulky necks. This isn't bulky per se, it just fills my grip nicely, and has a very balanced feel to it. If I had to compare, I'd say it's a cross between a 58 les P and a 57 strat neck. I know that's weird, but this neck profile is really different. So glad I gave this guitar a chance.

Back to that "weird" headstock....
I like and live in the realm of weird, so it works for me. It's not small either. It's a nice size and blends very well into the back of the neck. They are using some type of laser CNC to do the TMG logo on the front and serial on the back. I remember he offered to fill mine in with pretty much whatever I wanted, clay, ivroid, abalone, etc. I much prefer the raw laser engraved look.

Speaking of clay, these guys used real clay dots and side markers. The fingerboard is my next favorite feature. It's a real slab rosewood, and if it's not Brazillian, I'll be shocked. It looks and feels like they pulled the fingerboard from a 58 slab Strat and mated it to their neck. Frets are the same. My fretwork I thought was a PLEK job, but they laughed at that! It's on par with dare I say Don Grosh's work even. I wish I could refret a few of my Teles with these frets. I'll have to ask him what they are sometime. They allow for the crazy bends that are part of my sig sound, so that's all I care about really. That and the fact the ends are so well done, I forget they are even there.

Lastly, the hardware... I dunno, I mean they don't make it, but it's GOOD stuff. The bridge is a cold rolled, "chopped" Callaham, with comp'd brass saddles. About as good as they get IMHO. Pickups are Filter-Tron, admittedly a first for me, but I'll be buying another of these from them with a F-tron in the neck for sure! The pick-guard is also spookily vintage looking. I asked and they do use some bakelite, but this was a Tortoise-shell material, and not sure what it's made from. Tuners are Kluson Deluxe, and with only a minimum of aging. I like em! Forgot to mention it has a bone nut, which I absolutely demand. A three way LP style toggle and Switchcraft jack finish it off. Again, no skimping in this area either.

All in all the guitar is a very well built homage to old vintage Fender guitars, but in no offending or compromising way. It's absolutely the best playing, non-vintage guitar I own, and I have some nice ones. (Custom Shop, Kelton Swade, Grosh, Fano, B3, LSL, etc.) This TMG K I L L S them all. The Grosh is the next best tho! :) I invite anyone in or near the Reno, Nevada area to message me and come see this thing for yourself. Almost everyone I gave ti to immediately remarked that "it sang", "really sings", or some such similar comment. A couple of the metal heads at my local shop thought the shell pink color was not all that cool, but that's okay! They loved the action and resonance. Everyone loves the checking especially.

I'm already talking to Jonathan at Rogue about ordering another one in a Mary Kaye finish. What do you guys think?
 

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I think it's SWEET! It's hard to find the right feel out of the box, but it's great you did! I'd like to see more pics. Congrats!
 

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Pics soon!

Sorry, I will post pics tomorrow. Don't want to upload more iPhone pics as they don't come close to doing this axe justice!
 

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Heard a lot of drama on that brand. Don't want to be a downer to you. Just that I would be careful in plunking down a few grand on a deposit with them. Buying a guitar already assembled from a dealers inventory sounds like the way to go.
 

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Yeah, the TGP guys got worked up over the mayhem that's been going on at TMG. Apparently some customers didn't get promised guitars, a lot of he said/he said.

Glad to hear your guitar worked out, but buyer beware.
 

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That's certainly a good looking guitar.

If you're thinking about a custom order, Google is your friend. There's a real car crash of a back story to that company, and I'd recommend proceeding with caution.
 

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Must've been a timing thing...

I did do my research of course before making the decision. I had read most everything there was about this company/builder, and after having dealt with the Kelton Swade/Joe Koegel fiasco, it seemed like a safe, sure thing! Is there anyone out there in this day and age who doesn't thoroughly research their big $ purchases before parting with their cash? Likely not. And coming from a background that dealt in social media, internet design, and SEO I know all to easy how damaging the bad press was. So, like most things on the internet, I ignored it and gave Rogue Guitar a call. One of my better moves. I'm in almost daily communication with them, and have absolute faith that Jonathan that he will BEND OVER BACKWARDS to take care of those orders and my next one.

I'm not sure *exactly* what's going on with them now, but the way I understand things, the original cast and crew for this venture has been entirely turned over and there's a new sheriff in town performing the last mopping up of the previous mess and trying to ensure that issues with orders never happen again.

I don't envy the guy. I mean, he's got a full plate and I question if even I have the fortitude to manage THAT kind of responsibility. I know he's got a very high-end boutique retail location to oversee, and it's a REAL boutique shop, nothing cookie cutter at Rogue that I can tell. Add to that he's sweeping up after the former TMG builder/owner's mistakes and mishaps, fulfilling orders (from what sounds like out of his own pocket at times), designing and building these killer guitars, and successfully putting together a team to help build more guitars?

Lol, that was the kind of work ethic my grandfather had. It's rare, but I see him doing it, AND pulling it off with my own eyes and ears! Even if they didn't have the TMG brand, I would still (and have) shopped there. They have maybe the best selection of hand made effects I've seen outside of California, a KILLER selection of other guitars, notably the Dusenbergs, Suhr, Fano, and yes even Swades if you think they are worth it. So, he knows quality and seemingly what serious players desire and want. He's got a new brand Nystrum. Never heard of them, so I can't talk to their favor, but they sure look playable, and cool!

If you are in the market, give the guy a call. He's pretty straight forward about answering any and all questions on the TMG brand. There are no pauses in his answers, he's not making ***** up. It's better than hanging out on the forums and bashing a dead horse that no one seemingly cares about. Stop believing everything you read, understand there are vindictive people out there and with the internet being what it is these days, it's FAAAAR to easy to ruin someones reputation with a few keystrokes. I was at my LGS the other day and overheard him talking of being blackmailed by two scammer on Yelp! Crazy times indeed.


Taking pics now. Will post in a few..
 

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Well, I guess the only thing to beware of now is the potential resale value in the event I went insane and parted with it? I have never relied on the originating company/builder to do any warranty work. I'm more that capable myself, and love building too. I get that not everyone likes or can do it, but if that's your concern for my purchase, I'll do just fine I assure you.
 

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With the greatest of respect, it's not just a few keystrokes by people on TGP with nothing better to do - there are a lot of victims who have given first hand accounts of their treatment by these guys, a very bizarre parade of 'happy customers' who turned out not to be quite as impartial as they claimed, and a very clear picture of the man behind the brand. Perhaps the guy who runs Rogue has the right intentions, perhaps this is a new chapter, but the company and its fans would do well to concentrate on the guitars and not try to duck responsibility for appalling past behaviour by claiming it's all internet hysteria and all they did was get a little behind on some orders.
 

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Let's hope that's the case!

With the greatest of respect, it's not just a few keystrokes by people on TGP with nothing better to do - there are a lot of victims who have given first hand accounts of their treatment by these guys, a very bizarre parade of 'happy customers' who turned out not to be quite as impartial as they claimed, and a very clear picture of the man behind the brand. Perhaps the guy who runs Rogue has the right intentions, perhaps this is a new chapter, but the company and its fans would do well to concentrate on the guitars and not try to duck responsibility for appalling past behaviour by claiming it's all internet hysteria and all they did was get a little behind on some orders.


Thanks. that's a great point you bring up. I really do believe that's the intention of Rogue. Or maybe it's just Jonathan's personal quest since I believe he kinda took things over. Or is closely connected to those that did.

I understand that there were some people who were left hanging. I also know that some of those people are being handled now and some are taken care of already, but yes, there was some massive melt down at one (or more possibly) points in his short lived career building these things.

To the best of what I can tell from reading, it was all stemming from activity a couple years back or more, the MAJORITY was drama over just ANOTHER damn TS clone pedal, and also about a guy who traded a vintage Les Paul in exchange for a batch of his first gold top styled guitars (or some such arrangement that went VERY south it sounds like), but nothing recent. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I honestly don't read all that much on the internet. I just assume the bulk is hyperbole, hype, vengeance or otherwise untrue/distorted.

I would not have even made my choice had I not talked at length with Jonathan up at Rogue. It was HIM that made me feel comfortable enough to take the risk. I mean after all, he has a brick and mortar store I can physically go to and see him if there was ever an issue.

I dunno. I feel badly for anyone who ever gets burned buying a guitar like this. By like this, I mean from an independent luthier or assembler, selling "boutique" models. Mind you, I was JUST burned by the guy who owns Kelton Swade, LLC. (or maybe its a DBA, I forget) That guy took $1500 and about 60 hours of my time as an SEO/WEB Designer and NEVER sent me ANYTHING. And trust me, I built him a faaar nicer website than he could have built an equivalent guitar for me! I had a CONSERVATIVE 60 hours of Illustrator, Photoshop and Dreamweaver HAND CODING, and basically giving him a $10K web design package for ONE lousy guitar. He so totally burnt me, it wasn't even funny. (and no, the current keltonswade site is NOT the one I made!)

My experience with Jonathan at Rogue could not have been more opposite.

Uploading pics now.
 

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Niceness!

Here are some pics I took this am with my iPhone 5s. Sorry for the crap quality.
 

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a few glam shots

White cat = Gibson
Orange cat = Zipper
Hedgehog = Piper

you're welcome.
 

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more!

Several more pics. Really hard getting the checking with this iPhone. Did I mention how stoopid light this thing is? It's I believe 6.8 pounds. It's the very first thing everyone remarks on (besides the nice case).
 

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last ones!

Here are the last shots unless someone requests something special.
 

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par for the course in this business it sounds like

That's certainly a good looking guitar.

If you're thinking about a custom order, Google is your friend. There's a real car crash of a back story to that company, and I'd recommend proceeding with caution.

I love the axe, so regardless what happens to him or the company, I am golden.
I was considering going cookie cutter and buying a PRS or another Fender CS, but those are a dime a dozen and I care NOT what the resale value of my guitars are. I only buy and keep guitars that are truly remarkable.
 
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I confirmed with Jonathan of Rogue Guitars that he did in fact buy the brand along with the majority of it's issues. Sounds like he has made good to all parties he had a responsibility too. If someone here can attest to the contrary, please let me know. I'd be genuinely curious. I can say that he has been very busy cranking out a fairly sizable batch as far as boutique production numbers go.
 
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