thoughts on The Irishman

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  1. thunderbyrd

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    I stayed up til 3 am to watch the Irishman. (well, I stayed up til 6:30) the first thing i'll say is that I need to see it again to judge it better. the movie does not have the hyped energy of Goodfellas nor the glitter of Casino. overall, it is SLOW and very talky. that ain't necessarily a bad thing, but I think probably 40 minutes or so could have been cut without losing anything vital. I remember at least one long conversation between Hoffa and Frank that could have been cut in half.

    I've seen critical praise for Al Pacino's performance as Hoffa. my take on his performance is that he's basically playing the same character he's been playing the past 25 years or so, not bad, but nothing new. I think Jack Nicholson did a better Jimmy Hoffa.

    but Mr Scorsese is taking his deliberate time and pacing things the way he wants them and saying what he wants to say. there are, of course, some awesome set pieces. one really creepy sequence has to do with delivering weapons to David Ferrie. (Whom you will remember as Joe Pesci's character in JFK)

    Joe Pesci's character is the most interesting person in the movie to me. I think it's a very fine piece of work from him.

    overall, my take is "I need to see it again".

    What do you think?

    PS: there is discussion on another thread on profanity - there's no shortage of it here. come on, it's a Scorsese gangster movie.
     
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    bumpity bump bump
     
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    I"m like 45 min in. Sssslllllloooooowwww starting
     
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    It was ok, I didn't even know what it was about until it started, I missed the hype. I liked the music. :)
     
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    oh, yeah the music. there was era or action appropriate music all along, but a lot less than what is usually in a Scorsese gangster movie. and what music there is tends to be lower in the mix than usual.

    and now that I think about it, there isn't a single Rolling Stones song in the movie, unless I missed it.
     
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    That's why I liked it.
     
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    my "greatest gangster movie" picks are "once upon a time in America" and "Godfather Part 2". all the reviews I read before seeing the Irishman lead me to expect a movie in that league. but I honestly can't judge this movie that quickly. there were parts that blew me away. but Irishman doesn't rejoice in the gangster lifestyle the way goodfellas does. this movie is very much it's own thing and it's not "fun", for the most part (some of it is).

    my son is on the way up to watch it with me tonight. maybe i'll have more to say after a 2d viewing.
     
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    I thought it was a great movie, I will watch it again before too long.
    I wasn’t aware that Hoffa angered so many people in high places in the mafia, and the AG’s office.
    His disappearance makes more sense now.
     
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    Haven't seen it but Irish gangster movies are almost as overdone as Italian gangster movies. I'm of Irish descent and I resent the way the few Irish immigrants that turned to crime here in the US are portrayed in film to make them seem like a majority. Whitey is dead for God's sake. I have no Italian blood but I feel their pain too.
     
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    you resent the way your people are represented in film and the culture and so forth? try being from Kentucky.


    on watching the Irishman the 2d time, my estimation of it is somewhat less than after my first watching. it seems sort of empty. I do not think it is Scorsese's greatest film.
     
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    I liked it. Goodfellas its not. I wasn't disappointed but my expectations weren't that high to begin with. I would watch it again but it is a little long and a little slow at times.
     
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    Haven't seen it yet. Does it have the Dubliners or Clancy Brothers or Dropkick Murpheys?
     
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    Excellent movie.
     
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    A lot of wasted time...could have been done well in just over two hours
     
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    For big hits , the mob would bring in outsiders .
    The mob was comprised of guys that referred to Everybody else by their ethnic descriptor* . 99% of the time that term was politically incorrect.

    To give them credit, this movie, and the way they referred to the Deniros character was not “the drunken mick” it was “the Irishman”.

    i’m third generation American. Both sides came straight from the Emerald Isle. Great. Woo woo !

    On the other hand, 15 years ago I went to Ireland and was absolutely struck by how much they drink. As well as being struck by the amount of Guinness they produced in Dublin that stayed in the country.

    *Just like the majority of the population back then.
     
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    I gots cheese and cracka's fo all that whine!
     
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    I was shocked how brutally time hit the gangsters. I took it as a warning
     
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    I think Europeans must all drink like fish. I had some Basque friends that I learned quickly I simply could not drink with. They consumed such large quantities of both wine and hard liquor that I simply could not keep up. I quickly learned to nurse my drinks else I would end up too drunk to even enjoy the event we were using as an excuse to drink.
     
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    Just watched the first 45 minutes last night. It was kinda slow so I paused it to finish up later this week. Maybe tonight after Thanksgiving. BTW happy Thanksgiving!
     
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    hard to get past dinero looking like a 90yr old trying to be a 30-40 yr old. movements are stiff and just hard to not get distracted by it. pachino - yeah, what you said. "everyone is scarface'. overall just horrible performances by all the big name guys. pro was done well, but that guy is a great actor in his prime. sm w robert kennedy. pesci acting was good but again, throw all the cgi at it you want they look/act/seem old. I did watch all 3 hrs of it and was entertained.
     
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