Thoughts on maintenance.

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  1. dlew919

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    My Nashville tone knob started turning all the way round no effect on the tone.

    Had a look (hoping that the pot hadn’t died) and it was the little set screw that had come loose. Tightened it up and back to business.

    Two things occurred to me.
    1) how does such a thing come loose? Is there a physics or engineering answer?

    2) how many luthiers would have charged for that job? I’m not against making a living of course and I know the vast majority are honest and hard working. But how many would have charged an inordinate amount for what was a 1 minute job (once I’d found the right screwdriver). Given that to most guitarists the maintenance is a magical ritual done by wizards I wonder how many would have sent it to get foxed?




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    1 - The moving/motion over time causes it to get loose.

    2 - I think most would have solved as you did. Some repair techs would charge just to look at it though. (look, diagose, fix)
     
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    the screw can work loose as a result of repetitive turning along with sweat and beer lubricating said screw until it works its way out. You could put a little loctite on it, but I think that would be overkill and needless.

    It may NEVER have been very tight to begin with.

    You may have bumped the knob pretty hard and caused a partially loose screw to 'jump the tracks' and back out...

    I wouldn't charge anybody for just that... my optometrist doesn't charge to tighten eyeglass screws BUT, they charge 5.00 at another place.... it just depends on their model...
     
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    I would say (though not to be mean...hmm) that anyone (male, anyway) who would take THAT to a 'luthier' should pay plenty for being so friggin' helpless. Like that old saying - would you ask Elon Musk to fix your toaster?
     
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    Set screw mfg quality and day to day vibration. Yea you might get charged a standard bench fee. Regardless.
     
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    I have a screw in the back of my neck that periodically tries to back out, but my wife is always ready to turn that screw just a little bit tighter. She's got a big screwdriver that she tightens screws with.
     
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    Murphy's law.
    Things get loose...not tight....unless they're supposed to be loose.
     
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    If you have a problem that you are unable to diagnose- but it turns out to be a simple, quick fix.....

    does that mean a qualified person should sort it out, for free? When this is their business?

    Time is money. If you can learn from the situation- learn, move on, try to fix it yourself, next time.

    (If the luthier/repair guy fixed it without charge, buy some strings, a capo or some picks while you are there.....jeez.)
     
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    A buddy came to me all bent out of shape once.
    Huge dent in his car door.
    Looked like someone walking down the NYC sidewalk just kicked it in.
    The crusty old body and fender man said he could fix it for a c-note.
    My buddy bit, and the guy came out with a toilet plunger and fixed it in 2 seconds.
    Buddy says, "A hundred bucks for THAT?!?!"
    "No, son...that was free. The hundred bucks was because I knew how to do it."
    Being I'm always the go-to wrench/motor head, my buddy complained to me, looking for an ally.
    I told him the dude was a genius.
     
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    I don't think Elon could fix a toaster.
     
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    I'd take that bet. I'll bet he can fix the F out of toaster... he might need a little youtube, but he'd kick ass at it.
     
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    and then send it into orbit just for the hell of it.
     
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    1 - Lots of things. Dissimilar metals contract and expand at different rates, which makes things come loose over time. Sweat, grime, vibration from use, all help as well. May never have been tight to begin with. Machining tolerances that day, how sharp the cutter was on both the screw and threads. Lotsa stuff.

    2 - Most shops would probably just catch it on the bench when you show them the issue, grab their tiny screwdriver, and fix it right there. I can't imagine charging someone for that, and simple stuff like that builds loyalty. I would equate this to something like a truss rod adjustment. Most shops are just going to do it real quick and send you on your way.
     
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    I fix what really needs fixing myself unless it will take too much time, in that case I get somebody else to do it. Most things are not important enough to even fool with, I’ve learned the hard way.

    My instinct is to take things apart and try to do it all myself and spend way too much time messing with it.

    The older I get, the more nope I get with non-essentials, but I can tell a little better what I can reasonably attempt so I’m not afraid to go in there and break something.

    The art I’m trying to learn is discernment, I think I’ll be in school forever.
     
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    It wasn't a bet.
     
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    after this fatty, he'd be all over the 'toaster'
     
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    Hard to say.

    Every Luthier I've talked to has more work then they can take on. Usually back logged. Weeks behind..
    because there are so many guitars people want worked on.
    People literally bring guitars in for a cleaning and a string change. Yeah I know.
    The other problem is if you start doing stuff for free then word gets out and everyone else wants something done for free.
     
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    Some excellent points here. Thanks to all.

    I certainly don’t wish to disparage good and honest luthiers or repairers. And those who defended the charges made excellent points.

    As for loosening - I hadn’t touched it in a while but there you are. At least it wasn’t something bad.


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