tfarny
Poster Extraordinaire
Yeah, I didn't catch that distinction on the tab!
There is no D# in the key of Cm...
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Mark the Moose
Tele-Afflicted
D# happens quite frequently. It’s the 7th scale degree in E, the 3rd in B...etc.
If you are letting the bassist and the drummer pick keys you might be in trouble....
LOL
oldunc
Tele-Afflicted
The origins of a lot of that theory is in untempered scales, where C# and Db are not the same, but also who wants to play in ten sharps?
Huh?
When I took piano lessons as a kid, I was taught C# w. 7 sharps was the key after F# (w. 6). 1980s, my piano teacher was classically trained in Europe. In that framework, there was no D flat. I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I don't think so.
The key of C# would be C# D# E# E F# G# A# B...................doesn’t work! So, C# D# F Gb Ab Bb C C#, except tgat there is then no alphabetic progression. Therefore, it has to be the key of Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
Cam
Friend of Leo's
Ya' hafta' see to be sharp. Some cats know.
Er, see reply 21: https://www.tdpri.com/threads/there-is-no-d-in-the-key-of-cm.1071481/page-2#post-10665086
The C# scale is simply C# D# E# F# G# A# B# C#, and even though there are no notes Z and P, it is E Z P Z (easy peezie
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In a recent thread, a surprising number of people said their tinnitus was sounding a B#, but I said mine was a C. I suppose there is such a thing as a B#, but you’d have to be playing a song in seven sharps (ie C# Major) and who does that?
P.S. I wrote this post before reading several above along the same lines.
Now I want to start writing songs in C# Major, but only to piss off the keyboard player.
P.S. I wrote this post before reading several above along the same lines.
Now I want to start writing songs in C# Major, but only to piss off the keyboard player.
HotRodSteve
Poster Extraordinaire
All this musical theory makes me want to be a drummer.
Teleguy61
Friend of Leo's
I may have missed a comment, but I believe the point that no one has mentioned is that you don't normally MIX flats and sharps. I suppose you "could" if it was simply an accidental, but even then I doubt a "legitimate" composer would do that. On the other hand, in a casual get together, someone might call out a flat or sharp note that doesn't technically belong, just for speed and convenience.
Some of the guys I play with can't even agree on what key a song is in. If a song in "C" begins on the IV (F), they want to say it's in the key of "F"......they simply don't understand keys or scales.
Er, D harmonic minor: D E F G A Bb C# D
It's been way too long since any university music theory classes, so I won't "argue".....but isn't the C# technically an accidental? What would the key signature for D Harmonic minor be?
Matt Sarad
Tele-Afflicted
The drummer who corrected the bassist t studied classical piano for many years. He found that paying gigs were easier to come by. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of show tunes and is an ace sight reader as well.
He makes good money playing in retirement homes on weekends, far better than playing blues with us.
He makes good money playing in retirement homes on weekends, far better than playing blues with us.
Yes, D minor is relative to F so the key signature has one flat. You used the phrase "you don't normally MIX flats and sharps", and I took that to mean something more than "in a key signature".
Paul G.
Friend of Leo's
Let me clarify for the nitpickers -- if Eb is in the key signature, you don't refer to it as a D#, OK?
