There is no D# in the key of Cm...

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There is no key of C# major. Or were you just being facetious?

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The origins of a lot of that theory is in untempered scales, where C# and Db are not the same, but also who wants to play in ten sharps?
 

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...nice lady sending me chord charts.

Got some gigs coming up, adding lead guitar and vocals to a former duo, now wanting to go out as a trio.

It shouldn't bother me, but it does. Cm is 3 flats -- Eb, Ab, Bb. The scale is C D Eb F G Ab Bb. Eb is right there. D#? Nope.
Huh?
 

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There is no key of C# major. Or were you just being facetious?
When I took piano lessons as a kid, I was taught C# w. 7 sharps was the key after F# (w. 6). 1980s, my piano teacher was classically trained in Europe. In that framework, there was no D flat. I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I don't think so.
 

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It's kind of weird that D is never sharp. E is flat. OTOH, you can have both F# and Gb in your musical language. C can be sharp and D can be flat. Traditions.

The key of C# would be C# D# E# E F# G# A# B...................doesn’t work! So, C# D# F Gb Ab Bb C C#, except tgat there is then no alphabetic progression. Therefore, it has to be the key of Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
 

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In a recent thread, a surprising number of people said their tinnitus was sounding a B#, but I said mine was a C. I suppose there is such a thing as a B#, but you’d have to be playing a song in seven sharps (ie C# Major) and who does that?

P.S. I wrote this post before reading several above along the same lines.

Now I want to start writing songs in C# Major, but only to piss off the keyboard player.
 

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...nice lady sending me chord charts.

Got some gigs coming up, adding lead guitar and vocals to a former duo, now wanting to go out as a trio.

It shouldn't bother me, but it does. Cm is 3 flats -- Eb, Ab, Bb. The scale is C D Eb F G Ab Bb. Eb is right there. D#? Nope.

E's flat, Ah's flat too.
 

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...nice lady sending me chord charts.

Got some gigs coming up, adding lead guitar and vocals to a former duo, now wanting to go out as a trio.

It shouldn't bother me, but it does. Cm is 3 flats -- Eb, Ab, Bb. The scale is C D Eb F G Ab Bb. Eb is right there. D#? Nope.
I may have missed a comment, but I believe the point that no one has mentioned is that you don't normally MIX flats and sharps. I suppose you "could" if it was simply an accidental, but even then I doubt a "legitimate" composer would do that. On the other hand, in a casual get together, someone might call out a flat or sharp note that doesn't technically belong, just for speed and convenience.
Some of the guys I play with can't even agree on what key a song is in. If a song in "C" begins on the IV (F), they want to say it's in the key of "F"......they simply don't understand keys or scales. :(
 

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He makes good money playing in retirement homes on weekends, far better than playing blues with us.
 

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It's been way too long since any university music theory classes, so I won't "argue".....but isn't the C# technically an accidental? What would the key signature for D Harmonic minor be?

Yes, D minor is relative to F so the key signature has one flat. You used the phrase "you don't normally MIX flats and sharps", and I took that to mean something more than "in a key signature".
 




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