The Year of Tweed?

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  1. muchxs

    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    That's seriously packin' ten pounds into a five pound bag. It requires three more tubes and two more control locations.

    When is it no longer a tweed Bassman? Lotta guys figure an amp is modded when they change speakers.
     
  2. Axis29

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    Okay, Super, Pro, Bandmaster... Sounds about right (although the low power twin is mighty tempting)

    What do you guys think of the Weber Head kits? Then, I could have all three... With just a simple swap of cabinets.

    The next question would be... Presence or Mid control?
     
  3. Jammin'John

    Jammin'John Friend of Leo's

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    Tweeds are mid heavy.
    Don't need a control.
    Season with bass & treble.
    One of the reasons these old amps sound so good is they have a more "pure" signal chain.
    The more "crap" you add {mid control,effects loop,reverb} the less pure the signal and the less gain.

    JJ
     
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    "Presence" means you need a negative feedback circuit which again mucks with the "raw" sound.
    Negative feedback is an attempt to even out the frequencies.

    JJ
     
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    Unfortunately I don't have a 2x10 Super to compare them to. The 49 breaks up earlier than the 52 and it is real creamy and smooth. The 49 also still has a field coil speaker. The 52 is a little louder and breaks up a little differently.
     
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    Without knowing much... Weber has two 5e7 head kits. One has a Presence control, the other a Mid... So, off to Ampwares to do a touch of research....
     
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    Just keep in mind that while Webers are cheap they use some cheaper parts. Like transformers from China.

    I have the output transformer W404248 Weber sells with the tweed Bandmaster, Super,and Pro kits. Compared to the Classic Tone I used in my Bandmaster it's a dinky looking little thing.
     
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    True,but you can upgrade anytime.

    JJ
     
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    There are better kits out there at increased price.

    JJ
     
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    Mid control usually means adding a TMB tone stack. The TMB works well with a long tailed pair PI. Simple low loss tone controls work better with a cathodyne PI.

    TMB with a cathodyne usually results in wimpy tone unless it's cranked.

    The Princeton and Princeton Reverb are the only BF Fender amps with a cathodyne PI. It was common in tweeds.

    Yeah but all the large tweeds have a presence control. It doesn't seem to do much except...

    If you're using an undersized OT and cranking it into core saturation zero NFB makes it big 'n' juicy.

    If you're using high quality iron and the JTM45 5F6A copy certainly used high quality iron... NFB makes it bigger and ballsier.


    It's like playin' in a band. It's a dynamic situation. Something that's exactly right tonight might not be as cool tomorrow night.
     
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    There is no presence control on TV front and Wide Panel amps, The presence control was added in the later narrow panel amps.
     
  12. muchxs

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    Correct. Fender added a presence control as their circuits got closer and closer to perfection. :D

    Culminating with the '59- '60 Bassman. Designed as a bass amp, it's almost a perfect guitar amp all these years later. :cool:
     
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    ... or farther from perfection... :eek:
     
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    +1
    The 50's is the Golden Age Of Tone.
    The amps didn't get better after that.
    They got LOUDER,heavier,and more constipated.

    JJ
     
  15. Mike Simpson

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    I do not like the later tweeds with all the knobs on them.

    Here is perfection...
     

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    You can get a Line6 to model that for ya, Mike.
     
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