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The Unfair Advantage Identification Thread

Discussion in 'The Stomp Box' started by Tele-beeb, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. Tele-beeb

    Tele-beeb Friend of Leo's

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    Studio Trick Identification
    I read that Alex (Rush) basically used maybe an Echoplex on Working Man. My ears say Fuzz and Modulation (flanging?)
    I don’t doubt his word... but, I also trust my ears.
    To recreate “Working Man” I mean to use Fuzz and Uni-vibe.
    What other songs do we know that the artist’s’ recollection doesn’t match what our ears hear?

    Listen and critique for yourself:

     
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  2. dlew919

    dlew919 Doctor of Teleocity

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    Money for nothing sounds like an envelope filter. Apparently it’s a cocked wah.

    Brian may usually always uses a phaser. Not often credited. And chorus also not often credited. And a cocked wah.
     
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  3. Lucius Paisley

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    Metallica - Load.
     
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    I’m a noobie so I won’t touch that mate!
    But.
    I got that sound the same way....! Cool to be right huh?
     
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  5. 4pickupguy

    4pickupguy Doctor of Teleocity

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    That Rush song sounds like double tracking to me. I have always thought that what Billy Gibbons says is a Broadcaster on the Tres Hombres album sounds more like a strat.
     
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    i think billy would rather tell a great story than be encumbered by what might’ve happened.
     
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    there's a lot of stuff (often) that happens to a guitar signal as it's manipulated for recording, besides what little boxes are at the guitarist's feet
     
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    Seems to me that the recording engineer during post-studio session works in some wonders that the musicians don't know about or don't remember.
     
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    For live shows, he uses a cocked wah. The actual recording of Money for Nothing has no effects. Apparently they went into the studio to record and left all the mics in the room how they were. They noticed it sounded cool on sound check and recorded the guitar that way! They weren’t able to replicate the effects after moving the mics around.
     
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    4pickupguy Doctor of Teleocity

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    I have seen interviews with Brian May explaining those muted trumpet tones on some of their recordings like Bohemian Rhapsody and Good Company as an amp John Deacon built they called the ‘Deeky’.

    He used wah for the boller hat ‘wah’ trumpet sounds. The rest is technique and arrangements of the parts. Just brilliant.

     
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    It's double or triple tracked... that would produce the modulation you may notice. There is also a judicious amount of compression (studio applied), which may be tricking your ears into thinking it's fuzz. The compression is giving the guitar a really "slow" attack - especially noticeable on the intro.

    ^^^ This ^^^

    ^^^ and this ^^^

    When you hear a guitar on a recording, the following needs to be considered.
    • Mic choice and placement... often multiple mics
    • Console Pre-amps
    • Console Strip EQ/Compression
    • Post Effects (reverb, delay, etc... etc...)
    • Buss Effects... often compression specific for guitar such as an LA2A, 1176
    • Master Buss Compression
    • Mastering process... (further EQ and compression)
    Don't under-estimate the effect ALL of the above has on the guitar tones beyond the "core tone" the player has provided.
     
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    Ha, that’s more unfair than I imagined!
     
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    <ed>. somehow I posted twice?
     
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