The tone of the ashtray cover on... but without?

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  1. Corvus

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    There is a theory that the cover is a part of the whole magnetic inductance path! Dunno but have you noticed on re-issue teles that only the front part of the base plate is polished. Apparently Leo thought that everybody would use the ashtray, so save a bit by not polishing the back half!
     
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    Never noticed it! But I’ve read several times that it was the reason why he did not bother to round off the lips of the bridge which can be really sharp on early blackguards.
     
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    Indeed! But the pearloid pickguard gives it a cool « 60’s modded in the 70’s » vibe.
     
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    Left hand muting (in the case of right handed players). Pick or strum and lift the fingers so the string leaves the fret, but fingers are still on the strings.
     
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    Probably something like 500k-2M between the pickup hot lead and ground. I am only talking about eddy effects - there are probably many plausible reasons why a cover might change the sound.
     
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    That’s like... not even remotely close to the same thing. You can’t really approximate a palm muted gallop with left hand magic, though I feel like the are used in conjunction quite a bit. Palm muting brings out more chuffs bass sounds.
     
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    I took time today to experiment.
    By « palm muting » I do not mean choking the sound completely, and you can’t achieve the same thing by lifting the fingers indeed. (Even with the ashtray cover on, you can still choke the sound with the palm).
    BUT you can achieve the same effect by fretting right on top of the fret, instead of behind it. It requires more precision than palm muting, but it works.
     
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    Thanks! Food for thoughts...
     
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    Sounds a tad brighter without.
     
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    You are so right! I've just practiced a bit and found out that fretting on top of the frets could definitely replace palm muting for what I play: it achieves the same effect, but with its own vibe (less "chunk" but more harmonics). I guess I'll try and stick with that for some time to see where it leads me to!
     
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    I keep the ashtray over the saddles of my CS ‘69 Stratocaster. I don’t hear a difference in tone but in place, it prevents accidental muting of strings by shirtsleeves or a sweater. IMO, it’s a good idea well executed.
     
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