The origin of a musical style and being a total original.

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  1. johnny k

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    Did he record anything ? because all i found on youtube were midi files or his transcriptions.
     
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    The first time a western listener is exposed to traditional classical Indian or Asian music, or vice versa, is probably as close as one can get to hearing something truly original because these different musical traditions each have very different structures and tonalities. Of course, none of this is truly original as all of these various music traditions, whether western, asian, middle eastern etc... are built on thousands of years of tradition and development.
     
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    Thank you i had to many chicken wings to listen to the first video, but i really like the music one.
     
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    Definitely! I remember the first time I heard music played on a koto it was like hearing the pentatonic scale again for the first time.
     
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    I went to a talk by Xenakis around 1980 and didn't understand a thing. Then he played a computer generated piece, in the room totally surrounded by PA cabinets. It felt like I was in a dumpster full of trash that was tumbling down a long hillside.

    You wanted original!
     
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    ..and Wilson Pickett:




    I think we're talking about synthesis here; taking various strands from your apprenticeship and building it into your own style. It's a journey, not a destination.
     
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    Except maybe Jimi Hendrix. He might be the only one to pop up with a style of his own, without being inspired by any one else, or maybe pushing it so far that the influences were not recognisable.[/QUOTE]

    You can hear Albert King, Wes Montgomery, Curtis Mayfield, Robert Johnson, and even Doc Watson in Jimi Hendrix.
     
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    I would say Jamaican Dub was a new development.

    And don't forget Steve Reich :




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    Here's a super cool take on In C.



    It will make you want to join a drum circle.
     
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    I think there's some originality to be found in patti smith's first album, Horses.
     
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    Not the same but they remind me a lot of DEVO in this video.



    I like DEVO but I can see a camped up version of a lot of pop culture in them. You know what they call
    mid century modern now used to be plain old post modern.

    Not sure if I'd ever want to listen to music made by someone who was not influenced by anyone. Music should be a conversation, not a monolog. IMHO of course.
     
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    That was unnecessarily reductive and likely unproductive for a conversation, which is what this thread, like most internet threads, is designed to achieve.
     
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    I think it is possible to be considered "an original" or "unique" while still borrowing from your predecessors.

    Every so often someone comes along and basically creates a whole new genre of music that takes off and
    then has lots of imitators follow. Van Halen ushered in a whole new era of hair-metal shredders but
    obviously he was influenced by Hendrix and others. But I would still consider him original.

    Ditto for many of the other folks mentioned. And analogies can be drawn to the art world-- pick any
    art movement-- the Impressionists, for example-- it was original, but it didn't come from nowhere.
     
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    Larry Conklin was pretty original. I mean he invented teh hot lix.

    Someone like Missisippi John Hurt (not to be confused with Mississippi string tie incident) was pretty original b-cuz he didn't really have any records or anything so his style is different.

    Maybe give a kid a guitar and lock him in a box until their like 20 but these days they would just be on the FaceChat the whole time.

    There is not really self taught if you have access to hearing other people. Nathan Brown in Australia is pretty original as well.
     
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    I understand the idea that Jimi's influences were many and obvious, but everybody has foundations...nobody lives in a vacuum.
    I would maintain that Jimi took those boundaries/foundations and stretched them at least as far as anybody.
    So much of what he did had never been done.
     
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    As stated above, every musician clipped ideas from other sources. Even Andres Segovia. That being said, I would turn to the ones that were the most influential, and I would say The Velvet Underground and Roxy Music, and I would probably throw David Bowie in there too.
     
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    True, but influence and originality are different dimensions.

    I think rather than talking about "original" or not, we should think of a scale -- how original.
     
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    I think Duane Eddy may fit the bill - he played many tunes in his own style-this one is at 19 years old

     
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