The origin of a musical style and being a total original.

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  1. johnny k

    johnny k Friend of Leo's

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    Watch out folks, i m trying to be clever. With the recent Ray charles and elvis thread, it got me thinking.
    I thought elvis stole a bit from black bluesmen to come up with his style. But some people thought Elvis got it right from the start, being gifted.

    So, how far do we have to go to find the guy who was not inspired by anyone, and thought, this is the way i m and want to sing / play, being a total original. I don't think there is a proper answer to that question.

    Except maybe Jimi Hendrix. He might be the only one to pop up with a style of his own, without being inspired by any one else, or maybe pushing it so far that the influences were not recognisable.
     
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    Frank Zappa was kind of original when he mixed satire, jazz, rock, classical and fusion.
     
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    Hendrix was rooted in the blues. He was absolutely influenced by those who went before. Yes he maybe took it a long long way but the influences are very very definitely there.

    We all stand on the shoulders of giants...
     
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    Devo.

    I used to think Talking Heads, then I heard early Roxy Music.
     
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    Wasn't zappa a classicaly trained musician ? I m asking here, i don t know much about him.
     
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    johnny k Friend of Leo's

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    I dont really hear blues when listening to hendrix.
     
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    No such thing, every musician -- even the most avant garde -- starts somewhere.

    Hendrix is a great example, as he hardly sprung out of a vacuum. He developed a firm background in classic R&B, Blues and soul playing in backing bands before venturing into more experimental territory. His roots in R&B/soul/blues, however, were always just under the surface.

    I suspect that if you heard music that was truly original, i.e. and not rooted in any pre-existing music forms or traditions, it wouldn't make sense to you.
     
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    I’d wager Johnny Ramone might come close to counting as an originator. At least I can’t think of anyone playing a wall of distorted power chords anywhere *before* he did it. Tons of folks have done it after him though.
     
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    Hendrix was pure blues and R&B.

    But the OP question is a good one. Having never been exposed to music of any kind, what would yours sound like? Since we are absolutely influenced by what we have heard, not having heard music, how would we even perceive music? It would certainly be primitive and free form, don't you think?

    Improvisational music is very personal, but it starts from a basic motif and develops from there.
     
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    Atonal music maybe ? can you provide an example ? i m really curious.
     
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    Red house? Little wing?
     
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    That's surprising. Voodoo Child is a classic delta blues tune blown out and electrified.
     
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    I d think johnny listened to garage, and sped it up. I might be wrong though.
     
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    "find the guy who was not inspired by anyone, and thought, this is the way i m and want to sing / play, being a total original."

    Tiny Tim


    Howling Wolf fits that criteria. However he was probably inspired by others.
     
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    I ve got to admit, i don t know much about him. But if i ve got to think about a stand out guitarist, it d be him, because he was like nothing else.
     
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    I was going to mention Brian Eno specifically.

    I went down a big ambient/soundscape/avant-garde rabbit hole about a decade ago. Everyone is influenced by someone, but some of that stuff can be pretty out there if you dig deep into some of the artists in that universe. I’m sure the bones of it started with experimentation in the 60s, but it branched off into some really unique stuff.
     
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    Might the answer be Brian Wilson ?
     
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    Arnold Schoenberg didn't come out of nowhere. He observed the progression of tonality getting more and more complex and subtle and just took the next step.

     
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    Hendrix, an original ?
    Developed it all out of thin air? :lol:

    I mean, you could say the same thing about Django or EVH.

    And be just as wrong.
     
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