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The New American Original `52 opinions

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by guspin, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. moosie

    moosie Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Interesting. The implied claim becomes more blunt as the claim itself becomes more specious.

    "Social Science"

    "Let me be honest"

    "American Original"
     
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    I’m looking forward to trying one out.
     
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  4. tealsixtysix

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    I have no objections at all to the idea of replacing the AV line with these. It was time to shake things up a bit.

    My only complaints with these are around the color choices, and that's just personal preference. I'd buy the '50s Tele if they offered it in white blonde or copper. I'd buy the Jaguar if they offered it in Ocean Turq or Firemist Silver or (correct, for once) Teal Green Metallic. I'll buy the '50s Strat when they do a black or white blonde one with gold hardware as an FSR, which they will at some point.

    I do like the '60s Tele in LPB and might buy one.
     
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    Makes me wonder if their market research tells them that the 7.25” radius is hurting sales in this or other vintage models (MIA and/or MIM)? Wouldn’t shock me - I used to swear by 7.25 but after spending a lot of time with both, find myself preferring 9.5 now and specifically chose my current strat with a soft V 9.5 neck. I know it’s not period correct, but if it was hurting sales, you can’t really blame them. I’m sure there will still be some model in the lineup with a 7.25, but maybe a more marginal model than their flagship “vintage / original”.

    There are an awful lot of “vintage” products in cars, bikes, cameras, watches, and god knows what else that have loads of modern function under the hood and are vintage more in form than function... Maybe that’s affecting guitars too...

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  6. Nick Fanis

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    Basically what they did is take some of the WILDWOOD specked "thin skins" and made them stock vintage models

    https://wildwoodguitars.com/product-category/electrics/fender-usa/american-vintage-thin-skin-nitro/

    except of course of the thick poly undercoat that NOBODY has still verified and someone THINKS that the new series has :lol::lol::lol:
     
  7. Lobomov

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    Yeah .... Sales are all that matter and I'm pretty sure that the sales as a whole where getting weak for the AV line. Most AVs end up on sale in my part of the world :)
     
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  8. Telepi

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    I like it. Very similar to the Wildwood exclusive runs, but without the "Thinskin" label.

    I'm trying to think of something to complain about now, but really can't. It's just another iteration of a Telecaster. The Custom Shop has been doing it for years with a 9.5" neck and 6105 frets, and charging a whole lot more.

    If I were in the market for a Tele, I would definitely check one out.

    Oh, I just thought of something to complain about. No built in Bluetooth connectivity to an amplifier. :confused:
     
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    I like the taller frets and flatter radius.
    The neck tint is too pale.
    The finish is meh.. (rather have nocaster blonde).

    These are no longer "vintage" vibe Teles. Fender has abandoned that line possibly to force people into the Custom Shop models.
     
  10. gsh1968

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    LPB has straight steel barrels in this demo video.
     
  11. deytookerjaabs

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    You just answered your own question there smarty pants.


    Fender markets the USA guitars w/out poly grain fill as "Flash Coat" and/or "Thin Skin" whereas they market guitars like the classic series as "Nitrocellulose Lacquer" finished which is how the new guitars are marketed. Again, not a big deal on Alder, but on Ash guitars the finish gets real thick w/poly underneath.

    Anyone used to looking at the old AVRI's versus the AV's can see the new 50's Tele looks to be identical in body finish to the pre-2012 AVRI.
     
  12. Nick Fanis

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    Again HEARSAY....FACTS please, meaning an actual statement from Fender that this is a poly undercoat or a stripped guitar that proves this (sorry but nothing else can be accepted if we are serious and 100% certain) .
     
  13. deytookerjaabs

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    If you really can't read between the lines of a companies marketing buzz words then I can't help you any further as nothing beyond a chemical composition analysis of a flaking finish will do the trick I'm guessing.

    You're like the guys who just wanted to believe the new Joe B V was a 2 piece korina bod even though Epiphone never marketed as that...




    .........Dreamers, I admire their optimism!
     
  14. Nick Fanis

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    Who said that I need your help? :lol:

    You can't help a..... despicable person like me who wants PROOF and FACTS in order to evaluate something anyhow ;)


    And you are a specialist that "reads between the lines and knows how a wine tastes without actually opening the bottle" so why are you wasting your time with me?
     
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    Not terribly interested in a big neck and the color is boring and ugly. I like the modern features and the way it sounded in the video I saw.

    Sign me up for the 60's version in Fiesta Red though. Once there are some used ones and I get this kitchen remodel paid for that is.
     
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    Doesn't interest me in the slightest, but then I'm not the typical consumer. The 9.5 inch radius is a deal breaker to me, and the tone in the linked video doesn't sound "50's" in any sense of my imagination.

    I wonder if the '52 RI's (especially the 2012-2017 models which it seems Fender really got right) will go up in price on the used market now?
     
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    I have zero interest in 9.5 radius and bigger frets. I'm done with Fender for now.
    AV line 1982-2018 RIP
     
  18. Jakedog

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    I find it odd that so many people are attached to the 7.25 radius and tiny frets.

    Since the early days, one of the most popular mods on Fender guitars amongst pro players has been to flatten the board and install bigger frets. Or at least flatten the board.

    Bonnie Raitt- 10" radius.
    SRV - 10" radius.
    Clapton- 9.5" radius.
    Gatton- 9.5" radius.


    This is just a couple examples. Almost everybody who actually plays the hell out of these guitars knows they're far more functional instruments with an updated fretboard.

    Also, plenty of actual vintage guitars these days a flattened out anyhow. Multiple refrets will lose radius.

    I guess I just don't get the purist thing. I'm against change for change's sake. But when it actually makes something work better I'm all for it.

    Again, nobody wants to get rid of radial tires, anti-lock brakes, halogen headlights, shatter proof glass, airbags, nice stereos, etc. And nobody complains that it's not a "real" Ford because you don't have to turn a crank to start it up.

    These guitars aren't being called reissues. Or original spec. If you don't like them, don't buy one. I'm betting these outsell the old AVRI guitars at least 2:1.
     
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    Agree 100% on pale neck tint and the meh finish. Otherwise seems like a very cool guitar.
     
  20. John C

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    It's simple economics - if the AVs had continued to sell like they had when introduced they would still be around. I suppose Fender sees that those Thinskin runs continue to sell out while the "regular" AVs languish in stores and thought it was time for a change. Plus they can stop stocking the unique and likely higher-cost accessories for the most recent AVs.

    Now on to some of the questions - the AO '50s Tele that Sweetwater has in stock has vintage brass barrel saddles, and the AO '60s they have (in fiesta red) has the vintage steel barrel saddles (look like steel versions of the brass ones - no grooves). The photos with the compensated saddles could be prototypes, or maybe they are throwing in the compensated saddles in the case (like they used to throw in the 6-saddle vintage bridge on the old AVRI '52 and AVRI '62 Customs).

    It would not surprise me in the least to have Fender start doing limited runs of the most popular AVs later on this year for those who want a USA totally accurate reissue. And if they do something like that then definitely the AV '52 will come back; the others I'm not so sure of, but it would be whichever ones sold the best so either the AV '59 or AV '65 Strat.
     
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