The Mysteries Of The S1 Switch

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  1. Toast

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    Is there a sure fire way to hear the change from an S1 On and S1 Off? I don't think I've really heard the difference of my on/off S1 switch ever. That's lead me to think back to around the day I bought the guitar. I remember that I asked about the switch with the customer service rep and he attempted to demonstrate it to me, but I didn't hear it. I remember him saying something like, "Nobody uses it," so I promptly forgot it. In fact, it wasn't until I pulled out the guitar again (some 7 years later), and somebody here clued me into its existence again, that I got the itch to hear it. Now I'm wondering if it even works. Anyway, if you know a good way to hear it doing its thing, let me know.
     
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    That’s the out of phase switch, right? It’s real thin and trebly sounding. It’s useful in some situations. Obviously, you have to have both pickups active, otherwise, there’s nothing to be out of phase with.


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    Ah ha! I need middle position. Thanks!
     
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    You're right. I can definitely see it being useful. I like it.
     
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    Kudos! Enjoy! I’ve modded all of my Teles, I may have a problem.


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    You don't have the problem, Fender has the problem. They're not building them right. That's why we have the screwdrivers out before the womenfolk even know there's a new object of affection in the house...
     
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    I have an S1 with N4 pickups. Pressed in, in the middle position the pickups play in parallel, louder and warmer. I can’t say I use it much. It’s more a curiosity for me than anything else, but it definitely does what it was wired to do. I think I like a four way switch better and a four way doesn’t require rerouting a MIM control cavity.
     
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    Nice of the "salesman" to point out his vast knowledge to you. :confused:

    First of all, what Geetar (exact model) do you have there ??, so we know WHAT the S1 is SUPPOSE to do, and maybe it's not working. Or if it's operator error. ;)
     
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    My understanding is that the S1 switch does slightly different things, depending on the guitar Fender put it in, and when. It's a switch like any other, so I guess (In theory, anyway) that it can be used to make any number of electronic changes.

    My 2005 American Deluxe Strat has an S1 switch which, depending on the pickup position I'm in, engages an extra capacitor and/or puts adjacent pickups in series (where they're normally in parallel). This makes for tones that are less Strat-typical "airy" or "quacky" (again, depending on pickup selection) and more humbucker-y.

    I have less need for the switch now than I did when the Strat was my only guitar, but I do find it useful. My Strat is still the only guitar I own that can "do it all", if not perfectly, then at least competently. If I'm not sure what I'll need, or if I need to cover a lot of bases and only want to bring one guitar, it's my Strat.
     
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    He must be on vacation
     
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    I couldn't hear the difference on the Baja Tele I bought either. Turned out there was a wiring problem with the pickup selector switch. When I fixed it I could hear it...but ended up taking the S1 switch out 'cause I didn't like it. :)
     
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    He was done by post 3 and 4. He got his answer.


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    The S1 switch in my American Elite switches the middle position between parallel (button out) and series (button in). The difference is dramatic. I find it quite useful.
     
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    Sorry I missed your post. I've verified that my S1 switch works; it was definitely user error :) Anyway, I have a Am. Deluxe Tele (the one I use for my avatar photo). Thanks for the help.
     
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    I like the switch. It definitely gets me playing my middle selector switch more often. I tend to get stuck on the bridge or the neck pickups at times.
     
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    :) Why not just never use the S1 switch?
     
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    :confused:

    Oh crap, I must have had my scroll on fast.
     
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    I replaced everything, pickups, wiring, etc.
     
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