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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Axegrinder77, May 16, 2021.
Funny, I think the guitar tone is terrific. It fits the music just right.
If you listen to some of the blues guys, the Kings, the Collins, etc the tone is what we would call horrible. It's designed to cut through a noisy club (Not BB - tone was usually great).
I think the obsession with tone is fairly modernish... cheap and available pedals and modellers, etc.
Scofield doesn't need great tone - he plays great.
As someone said, less Ebay, more Mel Bay...
If you want tone, you need the fender Tonemaster amplifier. Because it’s the Master of Tone.
Scofield has moved away from the traditional jazz players' sound- I believe he even turns his bridge pickup on sometimes- but I doubt it's an accident. I've always thought that his tonal palette, as it were, is one of the (many) great things about his playing. And there's no mistaking his sound.
I've seen Ry Cooder amps with hole cut in the grill cloth where the mics are to be placed .
I'd say Ry knows a Bit about sound given some of this live setups using classic mixer channels compressors eq's etc etc etc etc ne has put together in his customer assembled gear., I don't know if he's still doing that? He certainly has a handle of how he likes to sound , enter the Coodercaster
The most significant tone improvement for me has been result of my playing ability.
you got that right, if I’d spent as much time practicing I’d be a guitar god now that and the $ saved but then what would I have to obsess over
While watching quite a few ... ummm ... not very good "at home" recordings by some top musicians during the lockdown, I suspect it reflects the lack of experience recording on their own and/or for YouTube. They are just trying to entertain us during unusual circumstances, so I would not put in too much over thinking about their tones.
Tone makes a huge difference. It's often easy to observe this between opening acts and headliners, for instance. It's worth some time to figure out how to get a nice sound that you like out of your gear. After that, it's diminishing returns, IMO.
I can make my stuff sound good, and other players have told me my rig (such as it is, and whatever it is at the time) sounds good, so I take that as verification - good enough. But I don't obsess over it, or even give it much of a second thought, beyond that initial effort.
The way I do it is I turn everything on and get it loud enough for the room, and then twist a knob or 2 on the amp and guitar til it sounds not too bright and not too muddy. Then I adjust when everybody else starts playing if I need more volume. I like to use pedals, and I fool with my tone controls on the guitar for different songs, or just when I feel like it. I'd be surprised if I have a particular tone that anybody would call mine.
Recording is a different undertaking, and requires learning a bunch of other stuff, like how mic placement works, and whether to record with effects or add later, etc. Different skill set from playing guitar.
I sold my Fender Blues jr as it had El- 84 valves/tubes in it - used in Vox, Marshall and Hi-Watt- a British sound .
My non-musical son came with me when I bought my Princeton RRi ( blackface) and as soon as I plugged in my Fender Telecaster even he said " That's how it should sound". I loved it right off.
So, I bought it.
I believe the big difference in tone lies in the 6v6 power tubes. That's tone .
If I have to judge from the video he sure doesn't.
But he is an awesome guitar PLAYER not an awesome sound engineer.
Well, it's a very low volume, no pedal (?) video. Not sure what you expect. Any amp will just sound a like a normal guitar ... which that sounds like. If you want tone change then you need pedals, a digital amp, volume, an acoustic or etc.
The concept of tone is what drives our every waking moment and fantasies. Without this ever present concern, we would not be driven to spend $$ on equipment, and the music instrument business would shrivel and blow away.
I always mic that way.
I don’t see any pedals. Can’t have a serious conversation about tone without pedals.
I'm not a fan of his tone. The chorus with the rate and mix maxed tone gets old. He has stopped relying on that lately which is nice.
Usually, what I find with tour amps is someone came along and applied a couple pieces of spike tape at 90 degrees to each other on the grill cloth, place the mic inside the apex. A hole is a bit extreme, IMO, but Murphy proof.
Check your History books.
You will see Many Fenders Mic'ed like that.
from 3:51 i'm feeling the lowblow from this guy
I have no idea why someone would say Scofield has "bad tone" in the video.
That's what an electric guitar into an amp sounds like, and it's glorious to me.
I sometimes wonder if buying tonal options is more of a hobby than playing music on this forum.
If it wasn't for all the gear, would some folks not play at all?
If you just had an acoustic would you play?