The importance of tone...

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  1. Bob Arbogast

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    Funny, I think the guitar tone is terrific. It fits the music just right.
     
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    If you listen to some of the blues guys, the Kings, the Collins, etc the tone is what we would call horrible. It's designed to cut through a noisy club (Not BB - tone was usually great).

    I think the obsession with tone is fairly modernish... cheap and available pedals and modellers, etc.

    Scofield doesn't need great tone - he plays great.

    As someone said, less Ebay, more Mel Bay...
     
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    If you want tone, you need the fender Tonemaster amplifier. Because it’s the Master of Tone.
     
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  5. oldunc

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    Scofield has moved away from the traditional jazz players' sound- I believe he even turns his bridge pickup on sometimes- but I doubt it's an accident. I've always thought that his tonal palette, as it were, is one of the (many) great things about his playing. And there's no mistaking his sound.
     
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    I've seen Ry Cooder amps with hole cut in the grill cloth where the mics are to be placed .
    I'd say Ry knows a Bit about sound given some of this live setups using classic mixer channels compressors eq's etc etc etc etc ne has put together in his customer assembled gear., I don't know if he's still doing that? He certainly has a handle of how he likes to sound , enter the Coodercaster
     
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    The most significant tone improvement for me has been result of my playing ability.
     
  8. Back at it

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    you got that right, if I’d spent as much time practicing I’d be a guitar god now:rolleyes: that and the $ saved but then what would I have to obsess over;)
     
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  9. Obsessed

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    While watching quite a few ... ummm ... not very good "at home" recordings by some top musicians during the lockdown, I suspect it reflects the lack of experience recording on their own and/or for YouTube. They are just trying to entertain us during unusual circumstances, so I would not put in too much over thinking about their tones.
     
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    Tone makes a huge difference. It's often easy to observe this between opening acts and headliners, for instance. It's worth some time to figure out how to get a nice sound that you like out of your gear. After that, it's diminishing returns, IMO.

    I can make my stuff sound good, and other players have told me my rig (such as it is, and whatever it is at the time) sounds good, so I take that as verification - good enough. But I don't obsess over it, or even give it much of a second thought, beyond that initial effort.

    The way I do it is I turn everything on and get it loud enough for the room, and then twist a knob or 2 on the amp and guitar til it sounds not too bright and not too muddy. Then I adjust when everybody else starts playing if I need more volume. I like to use pedals, and I fool with my tone controls on the guitar for different songs, or just when I feel like it. I'd be surprised if I have a particular tone that anybody would call mine.

    Recording is a different undertaking, and requires learning a bunch of other stuff, like how mic placement works, and whether to record with effects or add later, etc. Different skill set from playing guitar.
     
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    I sold my Fender Blues jr as it had El- 84 valves/tubes in it - used in Vox, Marshall and Hi-Watt- a British sound .
    My non-musical son came with me when I bought my Princeton RRi ( blackface) and as soon as I plugged in my Fender Telecaster even he said " That's how it should sound". I loved it right off.
    So, I bought it.
    I believe the big difference in tone lies in the 6v6 power tubes. That's tone .
     
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    If I have to judge from the video he sure doesn't.

    But he is an awesome guitar PLAYER not an awesome sound engineer.
     
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    Well, it's a very low volume, no pedal (?) video. Not sure what you expect. Any amp will just sound a like a normal guitar ... which that sounds like. If you want tone change then you need pedals, a digital amp, volume, an acoustic or etc.
     
  14. alnico357

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    The concept of tone is what drives our every waking moment and fantasies. Without this ever present concern, we would not be driven to spend $$ on equipment, and the music instrument business would shrivel and blow away.

    I always mic that way.
     
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    I don’t see any pedals. Can’t have a serious conversation about tone without pedals.
     
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    I'm not a fan of his tone. The chorus with the rate and mix maxed tone gets old. He has stopped relying on that lately which is nice.
     
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    Usually, what I find with tour amps is someone came along and applied a couple pieces of spike tape at 90 degrees to each other on the grill cloth, place the mic inside the apex. A hole is a bit extreme, IMO, but Murphy proof.
     
  18. String Tree

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    Check your History books.
    You will see Many Fenders Mic'ed like that.

    Cheers
     
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    from 3:51 i'm feeling the lowblow from this guy :D
     
  20. tanplastic

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    I have no idea why someone would say Scofield has "bad tone" in the video.
    That's what an electric guitar into an amp sounds like, and it's glorious to me.
    I sometimes wonder if buying tonal options is more of a hobby than playing music on this forum.
    If it wasn't for all the gear, would some folks not play at all?
    If you just had an acoustic would you play?
     
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