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The future of Peavey

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by jayroc1, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. jayroc1

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    Do you think peavey will ever return to manufacturing in the USA or has that time come and gone? I love my classic 50 212 combo
     
  2. studio

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    It's not just the labor that's cheap elsewhere from the US.

    Sometimes the materials too don't stand the test of time.
    Once the shiny gloss of new wears off, so does the price margin.

    I love newer type Behringer products, but I don't
    expect them to last as long as my vintage gear collection.

    Companies that have made a comeback recently:

    Mosrite
    Auratone
    Supro

    Do they use other than complete "Made in USA" components?
    Manufacturing?
     
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    I think those are just names being re-used. The companies, leadership, core competencies and cultures are long gone.

    As far as Peavey, they were always a lower price, almost equal supplier. They will be dominated by offshore production but may offer the occasional token state side line.
     
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    Peavey made a name for themselves manufactured by cheap labor in Mississippi in the 70's. Those amps were known for being almost indestructible. People would have to be willing to pay a premium to get manufacturing back into the US and I just don't see that happening. The good news is 70's classics are undervalued.
     
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    Nope, that ship has sailed. The horse has left the barn. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle, yada yada. The reasons are more complex than cheap labor and too easy to venture into locked thread territory.

    I’ve owned the Classic 20, 30 and 50 (4x10) and thought they were all great. The 20 was a great little amp tone wise.

    Overall, we reached the point of diminishing returns on tube amp design long ago and the market is overpopulated.
     
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    They also ran on tighter margins than other businesses. Most operated at 40pt markup both at the wholesale and retail levels.... Peavey insisted on 30pt markup at both levels allowing them to sell comparable products for about 20% less than there competitors.

    That time has gone. Even at 30pt markup in the US it's cheaper to have it made offshore.
     
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    Nope.
    Peavey is a shell of its former self.
    Of course, I'm old enough to remember when WalMart advertised that it was proud to sell American made goods.
     
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    No, it's just consumer driven economics.
     
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    Like burntfrijoles said, lots of reasons besides simply "cheap labor." A company has to show a certain rate of return to investors, who may or may not have reasonable expectations; everybody focuses on "cheap labor" but there's a factor of "expensive management" to consider as well.

    We all have the option, at the present, of spending a lot more on something made by a person in our country of choice, pretty much
     
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    They were built like **** in the usa.

    ****ty three piece folded pcb, ****ty tubes socket, ****ty capacitor, ****ty speaker, ****ty rattling cab.

    Which they don't do anymore since they left.

    I'm pretty sure anyone would expect more of a made in the usa elsewhere than in the usa itself.

    Damn they were sold 700€ brand new 10 years ago.

    And they're far from being indestructible, anyone would expect a 700€ amp to be solid enough.

    In the end, competivity wins, and they were not.
     
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    My pine cabinet Bandit has been dropped a number of times over the years. Off of tables, off of chairs. The pots do need a cleaning, but the amp still performs.
     
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    Solid state amp.
     
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    My made in US Peavey VB-2 Tour survived a panic braking situation in my truck and put an enormous dent in the bed's bulkhead. Turned right on with no problems and I'm still using it. And it's 100% tube, thank you.
     
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    Ok. So, aside from “****ty tube sockets’, your points don’t apply to my experience. The only thing this Bandit damaged was whatever surface it hit when it fell.
     
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    And some people survived high speed crash car, other died.

    That's called confirmation bias.

    I still don't see how that's an objective comparison to :

    Three piece folded pcb with thin wire is a terrible way to build an amp.

    Thank you'
     
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    Op is talking about classic 50.

    Which every point I made is concerned.

    And it has still nothing to do with what I quoted.
     
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    Peavey is still around?
     
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    You guys don't mention that Peavey owns more than a few product lines, Budda Amps being one of those lines. Now those amps are expensive, $1800 for a 30 watt amp. The photos say they are made in the USA. So they have a line of high end amps reportedly made down in Mississippi.

    I think if you are going to make and sell an amp in the US, it better be special and able to be priced as such. I'm not sure how special a basic guitar amp can be any more while at the same time attracting a large audience of people who will pay for the amp and permit you to run a company.

    Peavey is a pretty large company with a number of brands under its umbrella and I think their strategy of lower priced amps for the general public is a good one. I don't think that anyone is going to argue with a Peavey Bandit type of amp or the Classic series. You get a lot of amp for the bucks you spend and that is what many people starting out are all about.

    But the days of making consumer electronics in the US for the general public are gone as I see it. That is sad, but I don't see it any other way.
     
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    Peavey's corporate leadership did themselves in with that infamous Undercover Boss episode, probably one of the worst self-inflicted PR disasters ever in the guitar industry, even worse than Gibson's #Authentic. I don't see them coming back from that no matter where their products are made.

    Could products similar to theirs be successfully and profitably manufactured in Mississippi or elsewhere in the US South? Based on my experience in manufacturing systems here, I'd say yes although the capital investment would be considerable.
     
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