The first electric fire truck.

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  1. imwjl

    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

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    I forgot about this rumor and see it's made 200 calls in less than a month before making the news. Station 8 means it will be a very busy fire truck.



    Nice that it's made in WI, and I predict it will be another mark in our county's long history of innovating, creating wealth, health and knowledge.

    It does have a backup IC engine that can pump or generate electricity.
     
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    Interesting. Being a former fireman I'll have to think it over. What renewable source does the electricity come from?

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    That truck is based in Madison WI. That area is rich in wind and solar. One of my brothers worked for the Wisconsin DoT...as an Airspace Safety specialist. He had to approve every wind farm that a was proposed. He was a busy guy.
     
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    It's a good question, but not really a flaw with the electric vehicle per se. The fact that we are lacking in renewable sources of energy is more a political issue than a technological one. I like the fact that electric vehicle technology, solar and wind home power, etc are moving ahead, because maybe that will push us in the right direction regarding renewables. One can hope, anyway.
     
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    Burning buildings seem very renewable. :cool:

    How renewable the power source is right now almost doesn't matter; what matters is the long game. The advantage to electricity as fuel is that there's lots of ways to make it and more on the way. Switching to it at the consumer end is disruptive, but only once. The utilities can build new, less-polluting plants as they become practical and retire the older ones. Each time the generation end nudges itself toward more-renewable sources, the entire system runs cleaner without forcing consumers to adopt new technology every time.
     
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    We have come a long way in fire truck design and motive power. Here is where we were a bit over a hundred years ago. Think hybrid. From horse drawn steam power to Internal Combustion with front wheel drive. When you have 20 minutes, check this out. Its the same, but different times. A fire truck that needed a fire truck to put the embers out on its way to the first fire.



     
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    Buckocaster51 is correct.

    @Bob Womack I have more technical knowledge for my municipality in the metro area because I was appointed the business or what you might want to call conservative member on the city council committee that managed several energy and strategy matters. We have a mix of wind, solar and cooperative ownership of a nuclear facility. The latter is scheduled to shut down.

    I know a bit about the program powering the truck. Some of the facilities where I'm infrastructure manager are in the program. For a slight premium that's dropped in the past 10 years you can choose 1% UP TO 100% of your power to come from MG&E's (the utility) renewable sources. We have 2 grocery stores, HQ office, meat markets, commercial kitchens and a ghost kitchen running from the solar and wind @Buckocaster51 mentioned. The only incidents that have every caused is grief came from old local infrastructure and when a 3rd party transmission line firm had an explosion.

    I might digress here but my understanding from the substation explosion incident that spread to a second one is that our diversity with power sources actually aided the scenario.

    I'm certain Station 8 was chosen on purpose. My father in law was the guy in charge there before his retirement. It's one of the busier stations around. It serves the portion of Interstate 90/94/39 combined that is one of the highest traffic spots in the country. 8 is airport and city center backup, and often supports neighboring suburbs.

    Early talk of that truck being developed included how the diesel backup actually brings new capabilities to a fire truck.
     
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    What happens when it runs out of battery? How long does it charge? Seems like that could be dangerous unless they have spare charged up trucks. Maybe they don't get a lot of fires but I grew up in NYC and I wonder how that'd work there responding to every fire, accident or call
     
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    Where I work a former marketing manager suggested we join the renewable energy program more as a publicity thing but the company owners gave it a serious look and we're 10+ years into it. The owners aware of our being much higher than average consumers (refrigeration, food) and dead without electricity liked it philosophically, and wanted our area with no coal or oil to be independent.

    Now the program costs less and we have much more solar in the county than was thought would happen only a decade ago.
     
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    The truck has diesel backup and did 200 calls in the less than a month before the news piece. I don't know if we get more or less fires but my father in law was the "commander Nick" at that station before his retirement. He liked that station for how busy it was with serious calls where people really needed help. The most life saving assignment he had in a long career. The large cab two axle pumpers travel with ambulances and add to how many paramedics are at a scene.

    My understanding is our area is much better than most with preparedness. There's a history of protest, domestic terrorism, and natural disasters and most all the county municipalities being rather sagacious. I posted here about the floods and mass shooting incident that occurred less than a mile from my house. It was very comforting to see just how well trained and coordinated all the fire departments and law enforcement agencies were.

    We do have high tax bills for all the great stuff around here but it's kind of like the one first class ticket I've bought in life that's really worth it.
     
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    cool!
     
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    I don't see anything renewable or common sense about solar and wind as a viable form of energy.



     
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    The much better long term solution is to use less power instead of somewhat artificially shifting the power source. Just sayin'
     
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    Without diving into anything that would get this thread canned, consider the source of those two videos before taking any of what they say as gospel.
     
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    oh man, the manhattan institute... you realize the oil folks paid for those presentations, right?
     
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    Excellent. Best videos I've seen to explain the issues. I posted before I saw your post.
     
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    I thought you meant this one:

    helsinki 1909.jpg

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    They got the idea for Helsinki, when Fire Chief Gösta Wasenius saw electric fire engines in Germany, in 1907.
     
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    Maybe you would if your sources of information were current and from sources rated better for accuracy and bias. This approximately 6 years newer article from a very conservative but credible source tells and illustrates a more accurate picture. There are negative externalities for much of what we do but still net benefit for pursuing better solutions and innovation.

    https://www.wsj.com/graphics/are-electric-cars-really-better-for-the-environment/

    Nothing's illustrated the common sense for these changes like our local incidents that included two sub station exploding and natural events where the solar and wind installs seen from my neighborhood kept our lights, heat or air conditioning on.

    There's no oil or coal close to us. That makes what my local utility has been doing as smart as it gets.
     
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    It's true what industry this video supports and the cost analysis is moot IMO, because the issues are real and the trade-offs are about right. Back to my post, the long term solution is to use less energy.
     
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