Tesla cancels the CyberTruck!

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meanwhile, tesla autopilot on all existing models is out there killing pedestrians, motorcyclists, and highway patrolmen.
as well as the unfortunate "drivers" of autopiloted teslas.

that's a very good reason not to release any new models.
 
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That sort of satisfaction seems true for other EVs.

I don't think the things that I love about my M3 apply to most other EVs. The stereo is the best I have ever heard, the soft leather seats are almost perfect (really, the overall fit and finish is some of the nicest I have ever seen), it drives/rides like a luxury car, and the auto-pilot is my favorite car feature ever. I use the auto-pilot >70% of the time that I am behind the wheel. It has never gotten close to killing anyone, but has avoided two accidents I'm not sure I would have been able to dodge.

In addition to all that, it is brutally fast and handles better than my Corvette did, and it is all but free to operate. My August power bill, which included all electric use in my house as well as charging the Tesla (I drive ~800 miles a month) was $201. For October, it was $139.
 

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Well my mind is right here where it always was: I haven't lost it. But I left twitter and moved to Mastodon social. It's quieter and more thoughtful. No one is trying to monetize it. There's less clickbait. I think Musk is a jerk--he lost me when he called the cave diver "a pedo," and he's been acting like a 15 year old ever since. On free speech, for example, his opinions are dumb and juvenile: he's obviously never thought about it beyond "I should be able to do whatever I want." But then he was actively banning people who criticized him.

I left Twitter because A, the signal to noise ratio got worse, and B: I think he has some sinister impulses I want no part of. It's the same reason I got an electric Kia instead of a Tesla

Mastodon? Holy AOL dial-up, Usenet message board vibes! Better than a time machine back to the '90s! Where the heck are my steampunk goggles?! People should just save time and buy a designer hairshirt.

Musk's blocking 'n' banning was not a good look. But, as much as I disliked his "work yourself to death or get canned" message to his employees, it was nice to see him fire the idiots who thought it was a good idea to mouth off to their boss on a platform that he owns.

I hate abusive bosses and abusive workplace culture. I used to marvel at the abused child syndrome of people working in the entertainment industry, who went from abused to abuser, claiming the right to torture as their birthright. But today young workers in certain sectors are ridiculously coddled and oversensitive. They demand and too often get control, the tail wagging the dog, and we are not the better for it.
 

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Howard Hughes redux. It’s all over but the cryin’.

Glad I didn’t buy a Tesla. Came that close.
 

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Mastodon? Holy AOL dial-up, Usenet message board vibes! Better than a time machine back to the '90s! Where the heck are my steampunk goggles?! People should just save time and buy a designer hairshirt.

Musk's blocking 'n' banning was not a good look. But, as much as I disliked his "work yourself to death or get canned" message to his employees, it was nice to see him fire the idiots who thought it was a good idea to mouth off to their boss on a platform that he owns.

I hate abusive bosses and abusive workplace culture. I used to marvel at the abused child syndrome of people working in the entertainment industry, who went from abused to abuser, claiming the right to torture as their birthright. But today young workers in certain sectors are ridiculously coddled and oversensitive. They demand and too often get control, the tail wagging the dog, and we are not the better for it.
The only thing that will turn that around is for people to be in a position to where, if they don't work, they don't eat. That will make them want to take care of a job if they have one.
 

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Mastodon? Holy AOL dial-up, Usenet message board vibes! Better than a time machine back to the '90s! Where the heck are my steampunk goggles?! People should just save time and buy a designer hairshirt.

Musk's blocking 'n' banning was not a good look. But, as much as I disliked his "work yourself to death or get canned" message to his employees, it was nice to see him fire the idiots who thought it was a good idea to mouth off to their boss on a platform that he owns.

I hate abusive bosses and abusive workplace culture. I used to marvel at the abused child syndrome of people working in the entertainment industry, who went from abused to abuser, claiming the right to torture as their birthright. But today young workers in certain sectors are ridiculously coddled and oversensitive. They demand and too often get control, the tail wagging the dog, and we are not the better for it.
Most of the people I followed on twitter are on mastodon. Mostly academics, think tankers, journalists, policy anlyists and music weirdos. It's easy to use and there's less junk food. Sometimes people post Musk stuff from twitter and I feel "wow that's a waste of time." I miss Twitter some, but I'm not remotely interested in being "wagged" by a doosh like Musk
 

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The only thing that will turn that around is for people to be in a position to where, if they don't work, they don't eat. That will make them want to take care of a job if they have one.
Other than Musk's say-so, do you have any real evidence that Twitter workers were lazy and entitled? I mean maybe they were--there's some video allegedly showing the workplace.

But is there any other world where you'd just take the boss's word or it? There aren't a lot of country songs written from the point of the boss, complaining about his lazy workers, are there?

But everything Musk says--about compelling people to work unlimited long hours in pursuit of vague unspecified goals--gets taken as if it's gospel.
 

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Other than Musk's say-so, do you have any real evidence that Twitter workers were lazy and entitled? I mean maybe they were--there's some video allegedly showing the workplace.

But is there any other world where you'd just take the boss's word or it? There aren't a lot of country songs written from the point of the boss, complaining about his lazy workers, are there?

But everything Musk says--about compelling people to work unlimited long hours in pursuit of vague unspecified goals--gets taken as if it's gospel.

Let's review. I criticized Musk's call for people to work themselves to death or else. Then I spoke of general trends in workplace culture.
 
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Other than Musk's say-so, do you have any real evidence that Twitter workers were lazy and entitled? I mean maybe they were--there's some video allegedly showing the workplace.

But is there any other world where you'd just take the boss's word or it? There aren't a lot of country songs written from the point of the boss, complaining about his lazy workers, are there?

But everything Musk says--about compelling people to work unlimited long hours in pursuit of vague unspecified goals--gets taken as if it's gospel.
I'm just guessing being in the gossip business ain't a whole lot like diggin' ditches for a living. Twitter, Facebook, Tik-Tok the whole lot of them, we'd be better off without 'em.
 

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?? i was not responding to you

Sigh. You were responding to a post that quoted my post. Everything you referenced in your post commented on what was quoted, not the reply. So if you were not responding to me, you were responding to neither of this.

The guy who wrote "Sixteen Tons" and "Dark as the Dungeon" was a crazed alcoholic drug addict. Heck, all those country songs you speak of were written and sung by substance-addled maniacs who were virtually unemployable in the straight world.
 

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I haven't a clue what Musk is up to with this twitter thing, but it's pretty obvious he's not trying to run it like a business. A guy don't get to be as rich as he is being stupid, he's got some kind of a plan, but NOBODY may like it when it finally comes to light.
 

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This working from home thing, I'm just wondering how many of them could actually put the work-o-meter on full if there were a way of measuring it. I'm betting the ones who don't want to go back to work in a brick-and-mortar place aren't putting big perspiration circles on the back of their lounge clothes.
 

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This working from home thing, I'm just wondering how many of them could actually put the work-o-meter on full if there were a way of measuring it. I'm betting the ones who don't want to go back to work in a brick-and-mortar place aren't putting big perspiration circles on the back of their lounge clothes.
you'd be surprised. for folks whose jobs require only a laptop and an internet connection, working from home has HUGE advantages. We 'do' have 'workometers' and we studied our local work force for 2 years because we were curious.

guess what we found? ok, I'll tell you. We found that the people who believed they understood our mission and those who felt like they were key contributors to our success and those who felt their boss was 'fair' did better working at home.

Workers who felt little support from their boss and who did not see the connection between their work and our organization succeeding did worse.

The departments and division that had more lenient practices about start and end times, lunch breaks and comp time, had workers that THRIVED working from home.

The more rigid the manager and the department, the lower the performace they had.
 

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Elon Musk is too busy trolling twitter since he bought it and I love it, haven’t laughed this hard in a while. 😂
 

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you'd be surprised. for folks whose jobs require only a laptop and an internet connection, working from home has HUGE advantages. We 'do' have 'workometers' and we studied our local work force for 2 years because we were curious.

guess what we found? ok, I'll tell you. We found that the people who believed they understood our mission and those who felt like they were key contributors to our success and those who felt their boss was 'fair' did better working at home.

Workers who felt little support from their boss and who did not see the connection between their work and our organization succeeding did worse.

The departments and division that had more lenient practices about start and end times, lunch breaks and comp time, had workers that THRIVED working from home.

The more rigid the manager and the department, the lower the performace they had.
You know I know you are a smart man, and I'm not going to argue with you about your findings. Perhaps things have just changed so much, I no longer grasp which way is up in the world. I have worked on the farm, worked as an appliance tech, had a brief stint with an electrical outfit, worked as a mechanic, shop foreman, equipment operator, and heavy equipment transporter. I was a self-starter in the design and sales of hydraulic equipment. The main reason I was a self-starter, was that if I didn't keep going, I didn't make any money!

In all of the fields I worked in, I NEVER saw a crew that would keep working without someone pushing them. Just doesn't happen in the world I lived in. Again, not arguing, but it is pretty hard for me to accept that people will work from home, and remain productive, just because they WANT to.

In my last job of designing and selling hydraulic equipment the failure rate of guys doing the work I was doing was greater than the success rate by far. Even guys on break need someone to call an end to the break. If all of that has changed in just a few years, it's a miracle beyond anything I've seen in the workplace.

I also sold farm equipment for a period in my life. Same thing, I worked as a self-starter, but if you didn't sell, you didn't make any money, if you didn't sell for a couple of months, you were out of a job.
 
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Very interesting posts. I only know of Musk, Tesla and Twitter from the investment/stock trading perspective. I know that Musk’s recent Twitter acquisition debacle is already negatively affecting his Tesla and SpaceX investments. But let’s put Musk aside for a moment. Could anyone really “fix” Twitter and what would that “fix” look like? Any thoughts?
 

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You know I know you are a smart man, and I'm not going to argue with you about your findings. Perhaps things have just changed so much, I no longer grasp which way is up in the world. I have worked on the farm, worked as an appliance tech, had a brief stint with an electrical outfit, worked as a mechanic, shop foreman, equipment operator, and heavy equipment transporter. I was a self-starter in the design and sales of hydraulic equipment. The main reason I was a self-starter, was that if I didn't keep going, I didn't make any money!

In all of the fields I worked in, I NEVER saw a crew that would keep working without someone pushing them. Just doesn't happen in the world I lived in. Again, not arguing, but it is pretty hard for me to accept that people will work from home, and remain productive, just because they WANT to.

In my last job of designing and selling hydraulic equipment the failure rate of guys doing the work I was doing was greater than the success rate by far. Even guys on break need someone to call an end to the break. If all of that has changed in just a few years, it's a miracle beyond anything I've seen in the workplace.

I also sold farm equipment for a period in my life. Same thing, I worked as a self-starter, but if you didn't sell, you didn't make any money, if you didn't sell for a couple of months, you were out of a job.

It has a lot to do with the work environment. Some people get dragged into meetings and/or conversations that decrease their productivity. Conversely other people are in a position where the meetings and networking are critical and they would be wasting time at home. I fall into the latter category. Just before T-Day, I got sick with the unnamable disease and it essentially crippled my work for the last week. Others would certainly not have felt the same impact.

My point is it's a very challenging thing to nail down, but for sure some people are more productive at home.
 

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It is pretty clear that Musk overextended himself to buy Twitter.
Can't believe he is now talking about trying to make a smart phone, is he going to sell a kidney next?
Just goes to show you, you don't really have to be smart to appear successful ;)
 
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I had a battery Truck like 65 years ago when I was 3 - might have been a Tonka.
I liked my friction Greyhound more - it was
much faster. I think the motor busted due
to revving it up to Doomsday levels.
Pushing it in Reverse many, many, MANY
TIMES was like Neandrathal Nitrous Oxide. Thing screamed like a GT-40.
 
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