Tesla cancels the CyberTruck!

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I haven't gone anywhere, but I don't think we need to evaluate all ideas as coequal or give all of them oxygen. Twitter still agrees, which is why I can't watch snuff films on the platform, but his '88' call and response was illustrative of the issue for me. At a certain point the abstractions become a second Myanmar. Few dominoes in between.

Yeah, the only problem with that is that the widely disemminated, hysterical, paranoid take on his tweet that you're alluding to was -- wait for it -- misinformation! He was referencing a tweet about Madagascar being isolated from other land masses for 88 million years and 90% of its species are endemic to the region. But I guess you'd prefer the other interpretation, which would make Musk a winking on-the-down-low supporter of racism and genocide.

Also, not evaluating as co-equal is one thing, suppressing is another. Many things that have been pegged as misinformation by experts and official channels in recent years have been right or not necessarily wrong; a lot of official truths are lies or exaggerations. And there are no shortage of tinfoil hat people, either.
 
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The people who regard Musk as a savior are deluded, and those who view him as the devil are deluded hypocrites. I wouldn't want to be working for Twitter corporate the way he's running it, but I understand why he's doing it that way (to cull the herd). But I don't think it's right to silence people, even if I can't stand them. And you think a finger is on the scale now? Before, it was just attached to the hand of a teammate. Personally, I don't go for the team sports thinking in that area.

I want to ask people who are losing their minds and fleeing Twitter, "What exactly has changed?" 'Cause if your feed is full of "hate speech" and "misinformation" -- which often amounts to nothing more than positions we disagree with or skepticism, from people we don't like -- you must be following a bunch of nefarious characters.

However, I think Musk's ego has done him some harm. First, it put him in a position where he was forced to buy Twitter. And, now, his "look-at-me" posting and general showboating are hurting the Tesla brand and its stock.

I think Twitter has done tremendous harm, in concert with other social media platforms and cable news networks, putting us in bubbles and sealing off the feedback loops.

With Twitter, especially during the lockdown, the media and the corporate world used it as a barometer of popular opinion, which reinforced and amplified some astoundingly nutty and often very destructive ideas that we're paying the price for now.
One of the security systems I mange reads or pre-reads links and addresses. There is a very locked down company network segments vs guest networks that are around 300 - 900 people a day. The recent changes in Twitter can show in that public use. There is more toxic and evil stuff spreading in the mess.

My InfoSec tools have been very interesting insightful for matters beyond the core job.

Far closer to topic, I think it's better that the Tesla semi is ahead of the pickup. We - our species and my country - will get far more gain with more efficient sensible transportation than expensive stuff for niche markets.

I do confess that I keep becoming less a fan of Musk via things he says and tweets. We have fantastic business leaders who are much better examples of who we should follow or emulate.
 

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THEY CANCELLED THE CYBERTRUCK?!

NOW HOW AM I EXPECTED TO PLAY MOONLANDER?!

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I dunno man, fostering conflict of the type he's fostering, esp when he's coming down on the side he's come down on may be "good for business," but it's a bit of a golem from where I'm sitting. And their ad revenue is drying up a lot faster than he can fire folks.

Please don't confuse the 'thing' with 'the person'. I find Musk to be a pretty dark character these days. But, I recognize marketing when I see it. He wanted to make wholesale changes to the company because I think he believes it was oriented incorrectly. How would one do that? If it was HP, you'd just kind of announce it and deal with the bang. If you are google, you'll screw it up and say 'we are dropping our low performers' as a strategy to RIF.

Musk was in a tough spot as he was bold with his offer probably not assuming that the shareholders would say yes. When he saw the business model, it was probably not one that he wanted to value, so, he made bold bold moves immediately and drew a TON of attention to the brand and app.

Their ad revenues (by most reports) weren't getting it done, so, I think he will try to create a 'big bad wolf' and then launch an emotional war and see what collateral damage he can create, then he'll use the platform to support the people and movements that will be the least in the way of his businesses and likes. An Oligarch of sorts.

It explains all of his actions thus far. My guess is that he needs a BUNCH of capital to move things forward at his companies and populism will help him achieve that.
 

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The people who regard Musk as a savior are deluded, and those who view him as the devil are deluded hypocrites. I wouldn't want to be working for Twitter corporate the way he's running it, but I understand why he's doing it that way (to cull the herd). But I don't think it's right to silence people, even if I can't stand them. And you think a finger is on the scale now? Before, it was just attached to the hand of a teammate. Personally, I don't go for the team sports thinking in that area.

I want to ask people who are losing their minds and fleeing Twitter, "What exactly has changed?" 'Cause if your feed is full of "hate speech" and "misinformation" -- which often amounts to nothing more than positions we disagree with or skepticism, from people we don't like -- you must be following a bunch of nefarious characters.

However, I think Musk's ego has done him some harm. First, it put him in a position where he was forced to buy Twitter. And, now, his "look-at-me" posting and general showboating are hurting the Tesla brand and its stock.

I think Twitter has done tremendous harm, in concert with other social media platforms and cable news networks, putting us in bubbles and sealing off the feedback loops.

With Twitter, especially during the lockdown, the media and the corporate world used it as a barometer of popular opinion, which reinforced and amplified some astoundingly nutty and often very destructive ideas that we're paying the price for now.
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Please don't confuse the 'thing' with 'the person'. I find Musk to be a pretty dark character these days. But, I recognize marketing when I see it. He wanted to make wholesale changes to the company because I think he believes it was oriented incorrectly. How would one do that? If it was HP, you'd just kind of announce it and deal with the bang. If you are google, you'll screw it up and say 'we are dropping our low performers' as a strategy to RIF.

Musk was in a tough spot as he was bold with his offer probably not assuming that the shareholders would say yes. When he saw the business model, it was probably not one that he wanted to value, so, he made bold bold moves immediately and drew a TON of attention to the brand and app.

Their ad revenues (by most reports) weren't getting it done, so, I think he will try to create a 'big bad wolf' and then launch an emotional war and see what collateral damage he can create, then he'll use the platform to support the people and movements that will be the least in the way of his businesses and likes. An Oligarch of sorts.

It explains all of his actions thus far. My guess is that he needs a BUNCH of capital to move things forward at his companies and populism will help him achieve that.
Ultra-billionaire, jaw-dropping satellite network, electric vehicles, worldwide payment system - - the perfect villain in a real-life James Bond flick. Question is, who will be 007?
 

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I haven't gone anywhere, but I don't think we need to evaluate all ideas as coequal or give all of them oxygen. Twitter still agrees, which is why I can't watch snuff films on the platform, but his '88' call and response was illustrative of the issue for me. At a certain point the abstractions become a second Myanmar. Few dominoes in between.

I can only imagine some people desperately want to believe in meritocracy. I am unable to. But I do believe in the constant of human behavior; buffoonary.

www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/z2ofwk/i_was_an_intern_at_spacex_years_ago_back_it_when/

 
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The people who regard Musk as a savior are deluded, and those who view him as the devil are deluded hypocrites. I wouldn't want to be working for Twitter corporate the way he's running it, but I understand why he's doing it that way (to cull the herd). But I don't think it's right to silence people, even if I can't stand them. And you think a finger is on the scale now? Before, it was just attached to the hand of a teammate. Personally, I don't go for the team sports thinking in that area.

I want to ask people who are losing their minds and fleeing Twitter, "What exactly has changed?" 'Cause if your feed is full of "hate speech" and "misinformation" -- which often amounts to nothing more than positions we disagree with or skepticism, from people we don't like -- you must be following a bunch of nefarious characters.

However, I think Musk's ego has done him some harm. First, it put him in a position where he was forced to buy Twitter. And, now, his "look-at-me" posting and general showboating are hurting the Tesla brand and its stock.

I think Twitter has done tremendous harm, in concert with other social media platforms and cable news networks, putting us in bubbles and sealing off the feedback loops.

With Twitter, especially during the lockdown, the media and the corporate world used it as a barometer of popular opinion, which reinforced and amplified some astoundingly nutty and often very destructive ideas that we're paying the price for now.
Well my mind is right here where it always was: I haven't lost it. But I left twitter and moved to Mastodon social. It's quieter and more thoughtful. No one is trying to monetize it. There's less clickbait. I think Musk is a jerk--he lost me when he called the cave diver "a pedo," and he's been acting like a 15 year old ever since. On free speech, for example, his opinions are dumb and juvenile: he's obviously never thought about it beyond "I should be able to do whatever I want." But then he was actively banning people who criticized him.

I left Twitter because A, the signal to noise ratio got worse, and B: I think he has some sinister impulses I want no part of. It's the same reason I got an electric Kia instead of a Tesla
 

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No interest at all in that monstrosity. However... an actual pickup truck is probably one of the best potential hybrid platforms - think about it. Gobs of starting torque. Very large ratio of maximum total power to normal running around power. But our current obsession with eliminating the most energy dense and ecofriendly energy storage mechanism has us doing it all wrong. Instead of plugin hybrids we should be aiming for energy storage on terms of seconds and minutes, not hours and days.
 

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I'm not on Twitter. But I did enjoy reading other peeps' tweets. I could freeload for about a minute and then an opaque block would freeze everything and ask me to sign in.

However. In the last couple days Twitter's letting me read peeps' tweets freely and at length.

I think the defenders of Twitter exclusivity must have all quit the other day.
 
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