Tesla cancels the CyberTruck!

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Our local school and elder centers have small electric cars and utility vehicles, I like that as it good for the localised enviroment.
And those who takes cares of the elderly people can zip around in those without much to worry about, some of our few public busses are also electric, but they are researching more into alternative stuff as time passes, as the busses do not run that long before they need a recharge, but it is still better than diesel.

But the problem is the ever increasing traffic, workplaces are also slowly moving out from the city, the trouble is our habour and all the containers that are transported by trucks, no railways there anymore.
Somebody did not think that through, a change of mentality is needed.

A fundemental shift is needed, right now reality is fighting far-fetched ideas.....
Easy won arguments and grandiose arm gestures covers up any serious thoughts and ideas.
As said a fundemental change is needed in some areas, and by that it has to involve everybody.
Regardless of principels and what not....

Not that I am optimistic about that, living by short termed selfintrests is still how most do it on an everyday basis.
Oh well....
It's wise of you to bring up the planning issues needed. It's so hard fought but it works in a lot of cases.

I'm super curious to know how BRT (bus rapid transit) will work here because it will be achieved faster and at lower cost than light rail. Some of the rail corridors we still have get pressure from NIMBY where I think it's absurd to move next to 120+ year old rail corridors and then decide it is a problem.

Just better corridors for commuting and make a big difference but my county is still fighting to finish some links and parts decades later.
 

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Ok, I guess they canceled the CyberTruck, but it looks like Tesla's going ahead with the electric semi:
Claiming it carried (Combined Gross Weight) over 40 tons for 500 miles on a flat road
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link to the EV World article. Supposedly Tesla is delivering these to customers on December 1, 2022
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Love the vid where the window was supposed to withstand a whack with a hammer, and it broke.

Musk: "Hey, it didn't go through!"

That's his entire approach to the Hyperloop too. It can't deliver on his promises, but hey--it's a COOL idea!
 

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Love the vid where the window was supposed to withstand a whack with a hammer, and it broke.

Musk: "Hey, it didn't go through!"

That's his entire approach to the Hyperloop too. It can't deliver on his promises, but hey--it's a COOL idea!
Musk says that Hyperloop was created to thwart the train project in California. He claims he never intended to do anything with the tech. It is kind of like Theranos without the health impact.
 

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I hope his fans' memes keep him warm at night. TSLA down 55% since January, and his personal "wealth" down by $100b YOY. All because he needs The Internet to think he's a cool guy. Very shrewd.
I think his aim is more strategic than just vanity. A wise man once said, 'he who controls the content, controls the marketplace' (there are more dire quotes from others about controlling the masses, but this one I learned where I used to work)

Owning Twitter and influencing its behavior will allow Musk to shape markets to fit his goals. Near term loss (maybe) long term command of the market.

Look at the deal China did with IBM to create Lenovo some time ago. By doing the deal, IBM insured their existence, relevance and profitability for probably 100 years.
 
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Ok, I guess they canceled the CyberTruck, but it looks like Tesla's going ahead with the electric semi:
Claiming it carried (Combined Gross Weight) over 40 tons for 500 miles on a flat road
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link to the EV World article. Supposedly Tesla is delivering these to customers on December 1, 2022
fully-loaded-tesla-semi-completed-500mile-drive
This, the release of fully autonomous driving to the Tesla passenger cars, hmm. I'm no expert, but it reeks of desperation to juice the stock. What could be the matter I wonder.
There's a lot of content on BEV and fuel cells in my (food, retail, delivery) industry and that range should be plenty. The distribution centers to stores trips are not long and there are a lot of them. Firms that made liquid natural gas investments are interested in hydrogen.

Others have beat Tesla to market so I guess there is reason to promote if not juice the stock. IMO Tesla will face same challenges with trucks as with cars where the competition has a whole lot of manufacturing prowess and established service network.

I understand one of our major distributors has some EV semis being tested but have not yet seen them at our stores. Drivers react like they are an evil thing or they can't wait. I'd think they would like them for acceleration alone. That is a really obvious feature you see in our city electric busses and the electric fire truck.
 

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I think his aim is more strategic than just vanity. A wise man once said, 'he who controls the content, controls the marketplace' (there are more dire quotes from others about controlling the masses, but this one I learned where I used to work)

Owning Twitter and influencing its behavior will allow Musk to shape markets to fit his goals. Near term loss (maybe) long term command of the market.

Look at the deal China did with IBM to create Lenovo some time. By doing the deal, IBM insured their existence, relevance and profitability for probably 100 years.
I do agree that it is far more than vanity and ego. We should remember who else owns Twitter before and after his deal. They are not nice guys in the context of how I was raised and educated.

And it's long after their name is even on the laptops made of Chinesium. It may well be we are already a few years past important China manufacturing advantages.

To your other point I can only think of his yesterday Apple tweet and how many 1) don't know what a tax is and 2) choose a platform for a bunch of reasons that are not so obvious.
 

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I have to say that while I struggle to understand his madness regarding Twitter, I have a Tesla Model 3 and it is absolutely amazing.

I compare it to when the first iPhone came out. That was a moment where everything changed for the cell phone market.

I'm so spoiled by my car that I honestly struggle when I travel for work and have to rent a normal car. I like it so much I may very well sell my M3 and buy a Cybertruck when they finally come out.
 

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Only if it's still around to be influential. Intentionally angering his customers to say nothing of the unmentionable aspects of where he's been putting a finger on the scale doesn't bode well for Twitter's future.
The traffic that it is driving to the app is phenomenal. People 'taking sides' is good for business.

His whole 'apple is going to ban us thing' is complete nonsense and just marketing to expose markets and rally the kooks. But... it all works in the most cynical way.

All of this is a test. It will be interesting to see how we do.
 

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I have to say that while I struggle to understand his madness regarding Twitter, I have a Tesla Model 3 and it is absolutely amazing.

I compare it to when the first iPhone came out. That was a moment where everything changed for the cell phone market.

I'm so spoiled by my car that I honestly struggle when I travel for work and have to rent a normal car. I like it so much I may very well sell my M3 and buy a Cybertruck when they finally come out.
That sort of satisfaction seems true for other EVs.

Something really interesting to me is knowing a family with a Tesla and a 2nd gen Chevy Bolt. A second EV that cost about 1/2, has better build quality, and Apple Car Play was a big eye opener for them. They still love their Tesla but now seem to value the charge network most.

I'd say sell your M3 to my stick obsessed wife but she's embarrassed to drive more than a VW and finding a new Golf R in less than 2 years is near impossible.

:)
 

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I dunno man, fostering conflict of the type he's fostering, esp when he's coming down on the side he's come down on may be "good for business," but it's a bit of a golem from where I'm sitting. And their ad revenue is drying up a lot faster than he can fire folks.

The people who regard Musk as a savior are deluded, and those who view him as the devil are deluded hypocrites. I wouldn't want to be working for Twitter corporate the way he's running it, but I understand why he's doing it that way (to cull the herd). But I don't think it's right to silence people, even if I can't stand them. And you think a finger is on the scale now? Before, it was just attached to the hand of a teammate. Personally, I don't go for the team sports thinking in that area.

I want to ask people who are losing their minds and fleeing Twitter, "What exactly has changed?" 'Cause if your feed is full of "hate speech" and "misinformation" -- which often amounts to nothing more than positions we disagree with or skepticism, from people we don't like -- you must be following a bunch of nefarious characters.

However, I think Musk's ego has done him some harm. First, it put him in a position where he was forced to buy Twitter. And, now, his "look-at-me" posting and general showboating are hurting the Tesla brand and its stock.

I think Twitter has done tremendous harm, in concert with other social media platforms and cable news networks, putting us in bubbles and sealing off the feedback loops.

With Twitter, especially during the lockdown, the media and the corporate world used it as a barometer of popular opinion, which reinforced and amplified some astoundingly nutty and often very destructive ideas that we're paying the price for now.
 
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