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[Skully]

I'm wondering if you have some sort of fact based and not at all motivated by ideology definition of hysterical? You use the word a lot, but what do you mean by it?

Someone wanting to close their account is not "hysterical," and someone wanting to download their archives isn't "hysterical" either.

It's almost as if you think people who disagree with you are hysterical, but that can't be true, because of your tate dcomitment to fact based and not at all biased inquiry.

hys·te·ri·a
/həˈstirēə,həˈsterēə/
noun

1. exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement, especially among a group of people.

Sounds like I characterized it accurately. And, remember, this is something I have witnessed and you have not, because you’ve been off the platform, right?

And are you really saying that the headline ‘Opening the gates of hell’: Musk says he will revive banned accounts doesn't sound hysterical?

 

[Skully]

Yes, and the responses. I don't get involved in that goofy stuff, but it's always entertaining to watch from a safe distance.

I only occasionally post articles I've written, and I haven't done much of that lately. I rarely comment and I only like the most innocuous of posts, like stuff by Burgess Meredith's granddaughter. But in recent months I've read more of Twitter than I ever did back when I was an active poster.

 

[Frodebro]

I only occasionally post articles I've written, and I haven't done much of that lately. I rarely comment and I only like the most innocuous of posts, like stuff by Burgess Meredith's granddaughter. But in recent months I've read more of Twitter than I ever did back when I was an active poster.

I've never even created an account there. But I do read quite a bit of stuff that gets posted, and it has been pretty easy to spot the trends and patterns.

 

[Zepfan]

It was ugly.

My thoughts exactly, looked like something from a 70's TV Sci-Fi.

 

[Dostradamas]

The word hysteria originates from the Greek word for uterus, hystera.

Hysteria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I love that word and all the implications it has when used properly.

Anyone that can go from broke to 191 Billion in 34 years clearly knows a thing or two.

He makes choices that seem to work for him.



He is a marketing master that knows exactly how to get the response he wants.

Many groups against those boom boom, bang bang things flipped out about this nightstand pic he posted.

Cosplay pistol and a flintlock and many took the bait and headed for deep water.

I imagine the choice to scrap the truck is the right one for him and his company.

 

[bottlenecker]

And are you really saying that the headline ‘Opening the gates of hell’: Musk says he will revive banned accounts doesn't sound hysterical?

It sounds sensational, or hyperbolic, not hysterical.

 

[Frodebro]

It sounds sensational, or hyperbolic, not hysterical.

It's sensationalism, with the primary goal of inciting emotional responses. It's not journalism at all, it's an opinion being presented as journalism. Unfortunately, that has been the norm for at least a decade now.

 

[bottlenecker]

It's sensationalism, with the primary goal of inciting emotional responses. It's not journalism at all, it's an opinion being presented as journalism. Unfortunately, that has been the norm for at least a decade now.

I have socks older than a decade. Since I've been alive, at least. But the primary goal is sales. Money.

 

[Frodebro]

I have socks older than a decade. Since I've been alive, at least.

They probably smell better, too...

 

[maxvintage]

hys·te·ri·a
/həˈstirēə,həˈsterēə/
noun

1. exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement, especially among a group of people.

Sounds like I characterized it accurately. And, remember, this is something I have witnessed and you have not, because you’ve been off the platform, right?

And are you really saying that the headline ‘Opening the gates of hell’: Musk says he will revive banned accounts doesn't sound hysterical?

It sounds hyperbolic to me, not hysterical. "Exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement" would make it impossible to write a sentence, it seems to me, from your definition. The headline is not what the person actually said. Here is the quote:

"“What Musk is doing is existentially dangerous for various marginalized communities. It’s like opening the gates of hell in terms of the havoc it will cause. People who engaged in direct targeted harassment can come back and engage in doxing, targeted harassment, vicious bullying, calls for violence, celebration of violence. I can’t even begin to state how dangerous this will be.”

So this may be wrong, it may be overstated, it may be hyperbolic, but it's not hysterical according the the very definition you helpfully provided. It's written in grammatical sentences, for example. Aside from you disagreeing with this person's concerns--which are expressly about "marginalized communities"--what is hysterical about it?

You are using hysterical as an adjective to avoid considering the person's claims. Will there be doxing? will there be targeted harassment? Maybe: it seems possible. But maybe not. The person quoted studies at Harvard's cyberlaw clinic, which I know nothing about, and is herself trans, so she may see cases of this kind of thing that you or i don't. Calling this statement "hysterical" is a way to vitiate the argument without considering the possibility that it might contain some truth.

I'm calling attention to this again because you've boasted about your commitment to facts, not feelz, and called on everyone else to follow your example.

 

[bottlenecker]

They probably smell better, too...

Sensational headlines like the example we have here, are expressing an opinion fairly obviously. It's fairly honest and transparent, compared to some of the manipulative tactics we see from the news business. Because it's upfront, it will upset people who don't agree with it, but it seems like a lesser issue to me.

 

[maxvintage]

Sensational headlines like the example we have here, are expressing an opinion fairly obviously. It's fairly honest and transparent, compared to some of the manipulative tactics we see from the news business. Because it's upfront, it will upset people who don't agree with it, but it seems like a lesser issue to me.

The person quoted isn't just some rando with an opinion:

Alejandra Caraballo is a Clinical Instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic. Prior to joining the clinic, Alejandra was a staff attorney at the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund and a Staff Attorney at the LGBTQ Law Project at New York Legal Assistance Group. Alejandra’s professional focus has been on advancing the civil rights of LGBTQ people in a variety of civil legal contexts such as healthcare access, immigration, and family law.
Alejandra received her J.D. from Brooklyn Law School where she concentrated in IP and Media Law. She received her B.A. in Government and World Affairs with a minor in Chemistry at the University of Tampa. Alejandra previously served as the Secretary of the LGBTQ Rights Committee of the New York City Bar Association and was appointed as the first openly trans community board member in Brooklyn.
Alejandra’s areas of interests include the intersection of gender and technology, abortion access in the digital age, sex worker advocacy, and issues surrounding networked harassment. In her spare time, she can be found playing guitar, building computers, creating electronic music, and brewing beer.

None of these things make her right, and none of these things mean that her statement wasn't hyperbolic, but the Post followed journalistic practice in that it talked to a person with expertise in this specific area, a person whose expertise has been further validated by Harvard. Again, I'm not saying she is right, but it wasn't just some random opinion: it comes with a law degree and a specialty in cyberlaw pertaining to the subject she was asked about. The article also quoted people who were thrilled with Musk owning Twitter.

 

[maxvintage]

Here's a look at one of the historical uses of the term "hysterical" from google Ngram viewer, which maps the frequency of appearance of words or phrases in the forty million-some books google has digitized. Just sayin.

 

[bottlenecker]

The word hysteria originates from the Greek word for uterus, hystera.

Hysteria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I love that word and all the implications it has when used properly.

Anyone that can go from broke to 191 Billion in 34 years clearly knows a thing or two.

He makes choices that seem to work for him.

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He is a marketing master that knows exactly how to get the response he wants.

Many groups against those boom boom, bang bang things flipped out about this nightstand pic he posted.

Cosplay pistol and a flintlock and many took the bait and headed for deep water.

I imagine the choice to scrap the truck is the right one for him and his company.

He's clueless. Some people will make up explanations for anything he does because they need to believe he's worthy.
Not me.

 

[bottlenecker]

The person quoted isn't just some rando with an opinion:

Alejandra Caraballo is a Clinical Instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic. Prior to joining the clinic, Alejandra was a staff attorney at the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund and a Staff Attorney at the LGBTQ Law Project at New York Legal Assistance Group. Alejandra’s professional focus has been on advancing the civil rights of LGBTQ people in a variety of civil legal contexts such as healthcare access, immigration, and family law.
Alejandra received her J.D. from Brooklyn Law School where she concentrated in IP and Media Law. She received her B.A. in Government and World Affairs with a minor in Chemistry at the University of Tampa. Alejandra previously served as the Secretary of the LGBTQ Rights Committee of the New York City Bar Association and was appointed as the first openly trans community board member in Brooklyn.
Alejandra’s areas of interests include the intersection of gender and technology, abortion access in the digital age, sex worker advocacy, and issues surrounding networked harassment. In her spare time, she can be found playing guitar, building computers, creating electronic music, and brewing beer.

None of these things make her right, and none of these things mean that her statement wasn't hyperbolic, but the Post followed journalistic practice in that it talked to a person with expertise in this specific area, a person whose expertise has been further validated by Harvard. Again, I'm not saying she is right, but it wasn't just some random opinion: it comes with a law degree and a specialty in cyberlaw pertaining to the subject she was asked about. The article also quoted people who were thrilled with Musk owning Twitter.

So it's not even sensationalism. It's barely hyperbole.

 

[BryMelvin]

Where I live I'll be dead before electric trucks will work out here . (Where you must ford rivers diring monsoon 3 months a year and the car must survive desert heat without blowing up.)

The Hover truck Idea would work though.

 

[Skully]

The person quoted isn't just some rando with an opinion:

Alejandra Caraballo is a Clinical Instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic. Prior to joining the clinic, Alejandra was a staff attorney at the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund and a Staff Attorney at the LGBTQ Law Project at New York Legal Assistance Group. Alejandra’s professional focus has been on advancing the civil rights of LGBTQ people in a variety of civil legal contexts such as healthcare access, immigration, and family law.
Alejandra received her J.D. from Brooklyn Law School where she concentrated in IP and Media Law. She received her B.A. in Government and World Affairs with a minor in Chemistry at the University of Tampa. Alejandra previously served as the Secretary of the LGBTQ Rights Committee of the New York City Bar Association and was appointed as the first openly trans community board member in Brooklyn.
Alejandra’s areas of interests include the intersection of gender and technology, abortion access in the digital age, sex worker advocacy, and issues surrounding networked harassment. In her spare time, she can be found playing guitar, building computers, creating electronic music, and brewing beer.

None of these things make her right, and none of these things mean that her statement wasn't hyperbolic, but the Post followed journalistic practice in that it talked to a person with expertise in this specific area, a person whose expertise has been further validated by Harvard. Again, I'm not saying she is right, but it wasn't just some random opinion: it comes with a law degree and a specialty in cyberlaw pertaining to the subject she was asked about. The article also quoted people who were thrilled with Musk owning Twitter.

OMFG. Do you really not know how this works? You can pick the people you quote with an eye to balance and at the very least feign fairness or you can do what Lorenz did, and load the scales on one side. Caraballo is a clinical Instructor -- not a professor -- at Harvard? Well, she must be right. Classic credentialism. Actually, she's primarily an activist. A writer from the Washington Post asked to quote me yesterday, so I must be worthy, too.

Below is a Caraballo quote from the story? Sounds hysterical to me. And hyperbolic. But why split hairs? Yeah, I know why.

“Apple and Google need to seriously start exploring booting Twitter off the app store,” said Alejandra Caraballo, clinical instructor at Harvard Law’s cyberlaw clinic. “What Musk is doing is existentially dangerous for various marginalized communities. It’s like opening the gates of hell in terms of the havoc it will cause. People who engaged in direct targeted harassment can come back and engage in doxing, targeted harassment, vicious bullying, calls for violence, celebration of violence. I can’t even begin to state how dangerous this will be.”

 

[Frodebro]

Sensational headlines like the example we have here, are expressing an opinion fairly obviously. It's fairly honest and transparent, compared to some of the manipulative tactics we see from the news business. Because it's upfront, it will upset people who don't agree with it, but it seems like a lesser issue to me.

What bothers me is that it's always the same old script: "Person we don't like is going to do something that we view as potentially threatening, so we're going to ramp up the fear mongering and doom & gloom in the hope of swaying public opinion against this person."

It's been going on for a very long time, and people still don't see it for what it is.

 

[Frodebro]

OMFG. Do you really not know how this works? You can pick the people you quote with an eye to balance and at the very least feign fairness or you can do what Lorenz did, and load the scales on one side. Caraballo is a clinical Instructor -- not a professor -- at Harvard? Well, she must be right. Classic credentialism. Actually, she's primarily an activist. A writer from the Washington Post asked to quote me yesterday, so I must be worthy, too.

Below is a Caraballo quote from the story? Sounds hysterical to me. And hyperbolic. But why split hairs? Yeah, I know why.

“Apple and Google need to seriously start exploring booting Twitter off the app store,” said Alejandra Caraballo, clinical instructor at Harvard Law’s cyberlaw clinic. “What Musk is doing is existentially dangerous for various marginalized communities. It’s like opening the gates of hell in terms of the havoc it will cause. People who engaged in direct targeted harassment can come back and engage in doxing, targeted harassment, vicious bullying, calls for violence, celebration of violence. I can’t even begin to state how dangerous this will be.”

It's also projecting, which is another common tactic these days.

 

[Buckocaster51]

”Off Topic” ≠ “Any Topic”

TDPRI is not a place for political activism. Nor is it a place to discuss political activism.

Take your soapboxes to a different place.

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