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Tele tone dying out with Vox Wah?

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by rooboo, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. rooboo

    rooboo Tele-Meister

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    Been playing Les Pauls for almost all my life. Switched to Teles about three years ago. I love them (I have two) but I also love me some Wah and I haven't found a way to mix them both. Both my teles die out when I play upper register notes with the Wah on. With humbucker this was never a problem.

    Listen to this clip, from a gig we did last weekend. In my second solo I use the wha and as soon as I climb up the scales the tone almost disapear.

    Does anyone else have this problem and if so, how did you solve it?

     
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    Interesting. I hear what you are talking about, but no I’ve not experienced that. In fact, I get the opposite. Sizzling high end that makes the insides of my ears itch.
     
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    Putting a wah to bass side and playing high notes as well as putting a wah to treble side a playing low notes might result in low output... a wah is boosting certain narrow frequency range and almost cutting everything else...

    but that's not what I hear in the video... it sounds like a "faulty" wah... is it stock and which one is it?

    Edit: Solo starts at 4:15
     
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    You can hear same high treble *clank* when you rhythmically hit the muted string... so the wah generally can produce treble... so I doubt that it has some custom added low pass that makes the higher notes inaudible... I also don't hear a compressor causing this.... It seems to be one of those wahs that have a remarkable treble boost in front-down-position... it might be that the internal transistor can't handle that much treble any more and gets unstable?
     
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  5. rooboo

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    Yes that's how a wah works and I love playing wah (constantly afraid of overuse). It's a regular Vox wah, the cheaper version, the all black one. I love it and have had this one for about five years. And as I wrote above, it works fine with the Les Paul. So it gotta be the tele (or pickups rather). Strange thing isn't it?

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    What I heard was the keyboards getting louder, more aggressive, eating up the sonic space, and washing out your guitar.

    Sorry, but I think it was just a mix problem.
     
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  7. rooboo

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    Yes this can be it! I love the Vox over a Crybaby since it got a wider range – at least to my ears. If you play it subtle (as I try to do) it's a really fantastic Wah for a cheap dollar. But since a tele bridge has more treble than a humbucker bridge this might actually be the problem. A treble overload in some way.

    Though I must say I have not the technical skills to verify that this is physical possible, it makes a lot of sense. Anybody else have deep knowledge of how thigs like this works who can verify or deny this? If it's true I can just get me a second wha for the tele, something softer, like maybe a classic Crybaby.

    Thanks for this info ct_anthony
     
  8. rooboo

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    Ah thanks for input but no. This was just the first clip I came to think of. This is a regular issue for me – backing keyboars or not. And as I wrote in the orignal post, it happens with both my teles.


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    Is that this one? The V847? I have the same one. I’ll try to make a point to listen with headphones later to try to hear what you’re describing. If it’s the same one, you already know that it’s a clean wah, but it does have a big sweep.

    Always hard to judge anything for these types of recordings - all I hear so far is great-sounding guitar and killer playing! Thanks for sharing.
     

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    Oh thank you for kind words on my playing. Love to solo over that tune it's gonna be on our next record, which will be released late summer/early fall.

    It's not that Vox, it's the other one, the all black cheaper one. It's called V845.

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    If you got a tubescreamer of some sort you might test the following: gain min, vol high noon, treble reduced and than place it before and after the way and try to reproduce it... the goal is to have a treble reduce signal with similar level and see how it behaves...
     
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    Maybe your battery is going dead in the wah wah.
     
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    Playing the Boss SD1 and it quite similar to the TS9. But if I do that, it'll mess up my normal tone. And we don't want that :) But I'm definitely gonna try it at rehearsals just for the fun if it. Thanks!
     
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    Could be, but no, I'm using a DC adapter. Or a power tank really.
     
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    I had some issues with what you're describing (although I'm not hearing it in your recording. It's a nice juicy wah sound to me) with my Crybaby wah many years ago. It just didn't have enough "travel" into the higher register for me, so you know what I did? I opened it up and played with where the teeth of the potentiometer start on the teeth of the rocker. I eventually came up with something that worked. I also eventually switched out the original pot that came in my 90s Crybaby with a Hot Potz potentiometer. It sounds so much better than the limp-d!ck tone of how it sounded originally when I bought it.

    I'd say give it a try of messing with the travel of the teeth of the pot a try. It'll give your wah an adjustment to the voice. Maybe use a silver sharpie to mark where it is now on both sets of teeth, then lower or raise accordingly.
     
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    Thank you! Sounds like a great trick. I will try this as soon as possible. Kudos!
     
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    It is indeed a neat trick. A cheap one, too! You might find that you love playing through your wah wah pedal even more once you get it how you want it.
     
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