Tele prototype 3 template question

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Is there such thing as a prototype 3 template standard?
I want to make a prototype 3 with the short hotdog route with the 51 p bass plate.

From what I can tell from photos and doing Photoshop overlays, the route has nothing in common to the standard hotdog route.

Just wing it?
 

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Yeah, if I couldn't find anything online I'd use the plate to try to make a template. Trace the plate onto mdf, and then draw a cavity under that that's big enough to house your components and small enough not to emerge out from under the plate. Then it'll look nice on the final guitar, and you can test fit your plate with your pots etc attached and make sure they'll have no issues fitting.
 

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Is there such thing as a prototype 3 template standard?
Could you post a picture of what you are referring to? I've never heard of a "prototype 3" nor a "hotdog route", and I've been building/modding finishing since 1971.

Are you building a guitar...or a bass?
 

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Why bother with the hotdog rout? You can get a 1/4" aircraft drill that will reach from the neck pocket to the control rout.
 

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I think the OP is referring to the control cavity. The first and second prototypes only had volume and tone controls - no switch - so the cavity was shorter.

Below are photos of the second prototype from the book Fender: the golden age 1946-1970. I’ve never heard of a third prototype but Fender and others make models with volume and tone controls mounted in an early p bass plate in the regular Tele location.
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More on the elusive third prototype…,

 

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Yeah, if I couldn't find anything online I'd use the plate to try to make a template. Trace the plate onto mdf, and then draw a cavity under that that's big enough to house your components and small enough not to emerge out from under the plate. Then it'll look nice on the final guitar, and you can test fit your plate with your pots etc attached and make sure they'll have no issues fitting.
I'm over thinking it. Any pickguard that has to match the control route would have to be custom made anyhow. I wanted to know if there were exact templates people use if I were to sell it unfinished.
 

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I think the OP is referring to the control cavity. The first and second prototypes only had volume and tone controls - no switch - so the cavity was shorter.

Below are photos of the second prototype from the book Fender: the golden age 1946-1970. I’ve never heard of a third prototype but Fender and others make models with volume and tone controls mounted in an early p bass plate in the regular Tele location. View attachment 998963
Nailed it. The third prototype has the same route as 2, but closer to the now standard position. I may be wrong in calling the 3rd prototype, but google doesn't think so :)
 

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BTW the '51 P Bass control plate on Prototype #2 is a replacement, the guitar originally had a football-shaped plate. I don't think the '51 P Bass plate existed as a part until Fender started making Precision Basses.
Great info. Is there a picture of the football plate somewhere? Maybe it's not as ugly in that position :)
 

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Are you looking for this?

early Fender control plate copy

The Experience Music Project has assigned numbers? I find that curious considering the number of similar experimental guitars Leo & his small crew made during that time period.

I think I saw 4 or 5 switched in and out at the Fullerton Museum Center's Leo Fender exhibit - they rotated quite a few guitars, lap steels, amps and all sorts of documents during the time I was either visiting or playing at Fender party gigs there. I'm guessing the "project" numbered them just to keep track of what they had.

It's kinda funny that in my 55-some years of playing, inspecting, repairing, authenticating and building Tele-style guitars I'd never heard he term "hot dog rout" until yesterday:eek:
 
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When I made one I used the regular control route - but made it shorter.
The pickguard has to be custom cut to fit the plate anyway.
I looked but I can’t find any pictures of my build (it was on an old laptop that died).

Nathan
 

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