Ted Greene's '65 Jazzmaster and me...

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In the 1980s I was living in Orange County, California (Hunting Beach then Garden Grove). A friend who was attending Guitar Institute of Technology (GIT) gave me Ted Greene's telephone number and from 1987 to 1989 I took private lessons from Ted at his apartment in Encino.

The events of the Ted Greene lessons are some of my most prized memories and (sort of) accomplishments as far as gaining guitar brains is considered. Ted's image and reputation is kind of like an Albert Einstein of the guitar. Ted kept a filing cabinet at one end of the room that he would find pages of hand written guitar brain work he had concocted himself. Some of it was printed by machine, but this was 1987-89, and no home computer printer. Ted's "printer" was an ink pen. He had invented and written by hand what we sometimes call "Ted Sheets" which were very descriptive and deep pages about anything on the neck of the guitar.

I don't know whatever happened to that filing cabinet after Ted passed away in 2005, but I have always thought the work in that cabinet needed a home in the Smithsonian Institution.

If you like to see what a "Ted Sheet" is, you can click on in to the "Ted Greene Tribute" page, where the folks there have uploaded hundreds of scanned to PDF Ted Sheets. They don't call them that there, I am just calling the Ted Sheets here... just click "LESSON DOWNLOADS" at the top of this page...

Then click one of the links at the top of that page...

Arrangements | Baroque | Blues | Jazz | ,,, (etc)

Welcome to Ted Greene's brain...

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Ted wasn't super-human. In fact he was one of the kindest, gentlest souls I have ever met on Earth. I've lived a lot of places, I met a lot of people, but Ted had that special inner something that I admired. Even though he was like the Bruce Lee of guitar instructors, he was always humble, and he never treated me second class. Not only was he my guitar Guru, and often I'd kid that he was my Guitar Sifu ("Sifu" is teacher or master in Chinese martial arts).

I definitely bonded with Ted, and I could honestly say he was my friend, not just a guitar teacher. I still get choked up thinking about that he has passed away. I would do anything and everything he told me to do or try on the guitar. My only guitar in those days was a 1980 Gibson Les Paul Artisan. A typical Norlin-era log of 13lbs 6oz... I was already using a set of Dean Markley Jazz .012-.054 strings. They have a preferred for jazz wound third string. Ted suggested I tune down from E to E to D to D... and I did. Plus, my ventures on guitar was to attempt to play solo jazz guitar like Joe Pass. Joe is and will forever be my personal favorite all time guitar player across ever genre. Ted was actually preparing me to take private lessons from Joe Pass.

About that guitar... like many of the Norlin era Gibsons this Artisan had some problems. The fret board started to be loose where it met the body, and the guitar was hardly 5 years old. I actually sent it back to Gibson for warranty repair to the Kalamazoo factory... TWICE... and they never did get it right at Gibson, after 3 tries (original build and 2 warranty tries). The same friend at GIT that gave me Ted's number gave me the number for a private luthier in L.A. I took the guitar to him for the last and final repair, and he also did a re-fret... thinking back now, it was only about 6 years old or so, and really probably didn't need a re-fret... ya live and ya learn...

The separation between the fret board and the body was so bad, I could slip a guitar pick between the FB and the body on both sides. The luthier in L.A. fixed the problem permanently something the clods at the Kalamazoo Gibson plant never fixed or built right. And this was the equivalent in those days as Gibson's model above a Les Paul Custom in the product line. might have even been their top of the line offering in 1980. What set it off is the Earl Scruggs hearts and flowers banjo pattern inlay from the Gibson factory...

OK, so I was taking lessons from Ted when I put my Les Paul into the hands of this luthier. Plus, I was playing guitar for the Cal-State Fullerton jazz band, and a small combo I played in got a gig playing for the Major League Baseball All-Stars game after-party. The party was also a benefit for the Ronald McDonald House. Somewhere I have a paper picture of me and Ronald together hamming it up... I've never followed baseball, but it was back in the day when Orel Hershiser was a big deal as a major league pitcher...

One thing you'd learn quick about Ted is that he loved books. There were books stacked on just about every surface from the front to the back waiting area all over his place. That, and a whole bunch of very cool guitars. Not just Telecasters, but hollow body guitars and all kinds of stuff. The most memorable for me was his 3 color sunburst 1965 Jazzmaster.

That guitar stands out because while my Les Paul was in the shop for several weeks, Ted let me borrow his '65 Jazzmaster, carry it home, and I ended up playing it at the MLB All-Stars after-part (after the big game). For me, this locked in a lifetime of love for the Jazzmaster model. Since then I have always wanted a Jazzmaster. I had a Mexican Classic Player Jazzmaster Special (all the right switches, rolls, and toggles)... which I had to sell during Covid (along with 15-20 other guitars... to survive...). Just last fall I bought a Squier Classic Vibe 60s Jazzmaster (the CV's are supposed to be "better" Squiers...). All the right switches rolls, and toggles, but the Mexican model was way way better quality.

I decided to gut all the electronics in the Squier JM, then did a complete copper job for the entire body cavity. From the factory, it was a mess of noise and hum. Also, the fret edges needed work (badly), and the volume roller for the rhythm circuit in the upper bout... NEVER WORKED RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX... Another yippee-doo Squier story... That's what I get for $400 these days... But once I get the new wiring harness and pickups into the guitar, it will be a beast. One thing... it is very light... whatever wood the Fender CEO's decided to use to cheapen and limit the quality on yet another model of a famous guitar body... it is light... which my disabled old fart body appreciates.

I was going through my pictures on several hard drives, and I found this picture of Ted with the same Jazzmaster that he loaned to me for about 2 months...

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(unknown photo credit, possibly the Ted Greene tribute page)

This was taken when he had more hair, and his hair was brown. This is how he looked in the 1980s when I took lessons from him. I don't exactly remember where I found this picture... out on the web in some random place perhaps, or I might have found it on the Ted Greene tribute page...

I would love to know whatever happened to that Jazzmaster after Ted went to heaven. I would love to locate it and buy it from whoever has it now. If anyone has that information and can make a connection to the current owner, I'd love to hear. Even if I couldn't buy it from them, it would be very cool for me to see an old friendly guitar that melted some great vibes into my long term memory.
 

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Speaking of my newly acquired Squier Classic Vibe 60s Jazzmaster... I did a very thorough copper job every where inside the body cavity, as well as under the pick guard. Here's a couple of pictures...

Body before... (the black paint didn't do a damned thing...)
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Body after...
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Pick guard also... (and trimmed close with an Exact-o knife against glass. )
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Ted was brilliant!
My first Fender was a 63/64 L-plate sunburst Jazzmaster.
It was a gift from my folks when I was 13, in 1970.
Wish I still had it.
My first real guitar was a nos 1965/66 Jazzmaster bought new in 1970. I was 16. The only reason I know what year it was is because it had dots and binding.I sure loved that guitar even though it hated Super Slinky’s. Traded it for an Ovation in 72.
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This was the wiring on my Squier Vintage Modified before and after James at https://www.homeoftone.co.uk/ in Stourbridge got his hands on it. Unrepentant plug for a super little business!

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I am looking at a pre-made wiring harness for my JM very similar to what you've got under the hood... and you did a good job with the copper shielding tape under the PG.

My first copper job like this was for a Stratocaster, that guitar went from a noisy heap of yuck, to a guitar so quiet, it was even quieter on stage at church under the stage lights than my humbucker equipped Les Paul... no matter what guitar I used there, it hummed unless you had your hand on the strings... except for the Strat with the copper shielding... quiet as a (church) mouse...
 

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Just to make sure it's clear that the shielding and new wiring was all done by James at Home of Tone.
My efforts with the soldering iron are not for the eyes of the public.
 

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My first copper job like this was for a Stratocaster, that guitar went from a noisy heap of yuck, to a guitar so quiet, it was even quieter on stage at church under the stage lights than my humbucker equipped Les Paul... no matter what guitar I used there, it hummed unless you had your hand on the strings... except for the Strat with the copper shielding... quiet as a (church) mouse...

I wonder what I’ve been doing wrong. I have tried shielding with copper tape on every millimeter of the cavities and pickguard on my noisy single coil guitars - and made sure it is all grounded - yet I notice little improvement.
 

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I saw Ted at my first NAMM show 40 or so years ago. He was having a conversation while playing that old Tele. Walking bass lines with two finger harmonics playing the Melody.
I'll never forget those few minutes.
...if you watch his hands... not just 2 finger harmonics... FOUR finger harmonics... his thumb and first finger are 2, then he uses his middle and ring finger as another set within the same chord sometimes... his harp harmonic ability is stunning and amazing...

This is my favorite recording and song played live by Ted... "Send in the Clowns" during a seminar at Guitar Institute of Technology (GIT)

Its just Ted, his Tele and his Fender Deluxe Reverb...

 

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...if you watch his hands... not just 2 finger harmonics... FOUR finger harmonics... his thumb and first finger are 2, then he uses his middle and ring finger as another set within the same chord sometimes... his harp harmonic ability is stunning and amazing...

This is my favorite recording and song played live by Ted... "Send in the Clowns" during a seminar at Guitar Institute of Technology (GIT)

Its just Ted, his Tele and his Fender Deluxe Reverb...


Greene was such a unique and brilliant player, I’m surprised in ways that you could learn from him. Seems like some things are not transferable (not denigrating you in any way).
 

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I studied with Ted for 2 years between '87-'89. From the first lesson, I brought with me a TASCAM SYNCASET 225, 2-track cassette recorder. I also bought high quality TDK SA-90 tapes to record on. I recorded all of my Ted lessons.

I still have those cassettes. Still in excellent shape.

Before Ted, I studied privately with Robert Conti when he lived in Jacksonville, FL. In later years, he developed his "No Modes, NO Scales" method of learning jazz into a DVD empire.

Conti also distributes his own Conti jazz guitars these days (I want one, bad)...

The fellow can play... Joe Pass was quoted as saying "Robert Conti is the fastest guitarist on the planet"... (his "Rotation" head in bebop style over the changes to "Cherokee")


"Cherokee" was one the first jazz songs he went over in lessons.

I recorded all my Robert Conti lessons on TDK SA-90

My friend who went to GIT also gave me the phone number for Phil Upchurch and I studied privately with Phil for a time. The thing I remember the most about Phil is that he was the guy behind the scenes for George Benson on several of Benson's gold records... "On Broadway"... "This Masquerade"... Phil was Benson's arranger, and rhythm guira player (sometimes on bass).

I also recorded my Phil Upchurch lessons...

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I still have the TASCAM 2-track cassette deck, but it needs some cleaning and repair. The Play/Stop/FF/RW buttons on the front stick in when you press them and they don't change the motor setting...

Here's why I need that particular deck (at least until I try other things)... I could get 4 x 1 hour-ish long lessons on each tape.

Pass 1 - Track 1 - Side A
Pass 2 - Track 2 - Side B
turn tape over
Pass 3 - Track 1 - Side B
Pass 4 - Track 2 - Side B

The TASCAM 225 was literally a 2-track (supposed to be used back in Portastudio days as a 2-track mix-down deck). For a microphone, I used an Electro-Voice N/Dym 357... which has a near to 20Hz-20kHz frequency response... but I am no recording engineer...

In the same box that had been in storage for many years was a Pioneer double-deck. The TASCAM survived several mini storage places, but the Pioneer got munched. I had it all out and plugged in to my DAW ready to separate the tracks on the cassettes, when I figured out the Pioneer deck was toast.

So I need a cassette deck. I'm sure I can find one on Facebook Marketplace (FBMP) (I don't so much ever use Craigslist or eBay anymore)... sometimes Reverb.com... But I've seen a lot of older yet high quality cassette decks on FBMP...

Now... when I took lessons w/ Ted, each week or so he'd hand out a "Ted Sheet"... his hand written system of something to do with guitar stuff. He had a whole filinf cabinet full of these. From my lessons, I have 55 of these sheets he gave me over the 2 years I took lessons from him.

When I knew I was going to be moving away from California, I scheduled a 3-hour block of lessons in a row with Ted, and in chronological order as he gave them to me in the lessons, I had him verbally review all 55 sheets in that 3 hour block... and I recorded that 3 hour block of sheet reviews. I still have those tapes... all on TDK SA-90s...

When I finally get this collection of Ted recordings together, I will upload them to the Ted Greene Tribute page, where everyone can view them for free.
 

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Greene was such a unique and brilliant player, I’m surprised in ways that you could learn from him. Seems like some things are not transferable (not denigrating you in any way).
I don't even attempt harp harmonics at all, LOL... I actually never asked him to show me how to do it... he had so much other spectacular conversations to share...

I was a blue collar worker, and drove 60+ miles one way from Garden Grove to Encino across treacherous L.A. traffic for every lesson. I remember Ted often remarking about the long drive I made just to get to his lessons.

Learning from Ted was made easy because he was, yes "out there" talented, but was also blessed as a teacher that could explain things. Your head was full from last time, and he crammed it stuffed full each lesson. That's why I made recordings of every lesson. 1988 was 35 years ago, and my brain has been though a lot of things in 35 years. Picturing him in his apartment, surrounded my books stacked on every surface, seeing his gentle smile and welcoming words to my ears.

Compared to his immense knowledge, what I could learn as an imperfect human clone, was maybe like taking a sharp knife and scraping it on a block of ice. You get some shavings which are spectacular, but you realize the block of ice is well beyond anything you (or I) will ever do. There will never be another Ted Greene, but we his students are examples of what he could doll out. Plus his 4 books he wrote, and just one studio album ever "Solo Guitar" (Danny Boy is a good one from that)(recorded on a Telecaster, by the way...)(also more great 4-finger harp harmonics)
 

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I wonder what I’ve been doing wrong. I have tried shielding with copper tape on every millimeter of the cavities and pickguard on my noisy single coil guitars - and made sure it is all grounded - yet I notice little improvement.
Other than noise from the guitar, a bad guitar cable can also create noise...

... maybe make a note of how I left a bit of the copper tape from the interior, a small strip and over the screw holes. (see pic below) Then used a tooth pick to punch a hole in the screw holes before fastening the PG to the body...

...also that I completely covered the underside of the PG with the tape as well. This creates a (technical term) "Farrady Box"...

... might want to re-check all the grounding again... is the ground wire going to the bridge/tremolo secured good enough?

.. plus (as I know you know) all the components inside need to be ground together.

...plus, lot's of Strat wiring diagrams on this Google search... might want to trace everything from source to terminal to see if indeed it is all soldered correctly...

...that's what I'd check

I've done the same to about a dozen guitars, always with noticeable good results

Check out how I use a small bit of the tape to come up and out of the cavity, and over the screw holes in some places:
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Completely covered the underside of the PG...
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I used an X-act-o knife with a very sharp tip with the PG pressed against glass, to trim the holes in the PG. I did this with the copper side down, facing the sheet of glass. The glass makes a nice backing for the knife to slice the copper very well and clean... I didn't get much tearing at all using this method.

X-acto knife... (random pic from the web) (sometimes spelled "Exacto")
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...if you watch his hands... not just 2 finger harmonics... FOUR finger harmonics... his thumb and first finger are 2, then he uses his middle and ring finger as another set within the same chord sometimes... his harp harmonic ability is stunning and amazing...

This is my favorite recording and song played live by Ted... "Send in the Clowns" during a seminar at Guitar Institute of Technology (GIT)

Its just Ted, his Tele and his Fender Deluxe Reverb...


Everything about him -his skills, his temperament, that Tone!- was other worldly to me. What a treasure he was.
 
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