TALK ME OFF THE LEDGE!!! - Les Paul Special - T-Armond neck, P90 Bridge ???

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  1. Wallaby

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    Since getting a P90-equipped guitar ( LP Special ) I've been kind of entranced by the Gibson P90's its equipped with.

    I am starting to "get it - IMO grunt and sparkle and open sound combined. I wonder how much R&D went into P90's, or is their character essentially accidental?

    Continuing -

    I'm not fully indoctrinated yet - I crave more treble from the neck position. I like the bridge alone, and the middle position, and the neck sometimes, but not always. I've figured out where I like the bridge ( nice and sparkly ) and how I like the neck - except I can't seem to get enough treble from the neck.

    So I'm thinking about what a TV Jones T-Armond in the neck would sound like with the stock Gibson P90 in the bridge. I'm also reading about phase issues and what to do about that.

    It's a lot, I know - I'm interested in hearing "yays", "nays", "you're a stone GENIUS" ( especially that one! ). Whatever you have, I want :)

    I fingerpick only, I play clean-ish, open strings ringing chickin-pickin, really terrible player, lots of noodling. Non-pro, couch player.

    Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope!
     
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    Can't really help there but meanwhile enjoy....

     
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    Awesome. I'll add it to "Peppermint Rock" as the other Richard Thompson song I like :)

    I can see I have a "whole nuther" area of exploration to .. explore.

     
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    T-Armond neck pickups are a great choice imho. I’ve owned a few and other DeArmond types and the T-As hold up to originals and will keep up with a P90 bridge. So yeah go for it.

    Also good are Gabojos, I have one in my Offset Tele. Before this I had a TVJ T-90, which is supposed to be a bright P90. It wasn’t bright enough so I went with what I know..

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    Yes, that should work perfectly for what you want.
     
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    Thank you.

    Do you know if I will need to flip magnets and fix the leads on the Gibson P90 bridge if I do it?

     
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    Thank you.

    Do you know if the TVJ pickup would be in phase with the Gibson P90?

     
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    If I were me, I'd just get a P-90 that's wound to emphasize treble.
     
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    If it is OOP, you only need to flip the magnets---best fix. Do not swap the leads as well or you're back in OOP land. In lieu of a pickup swap, you could try alnico 3 or 4 magnets to get a clearer tone and save some $$$.
     
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    That's "on the table" too actually, do you know any you like?

    I love those funky little magnet elevators though.

     
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    You dipped your tongue in the P90 ice cream pot. You loved it didn't you ? Then don't give up so easily on them. P90's are real sensitive to height.

    What I'm hearing here is that your neck pup is too high, too close to strings. Is there a notable difference in tone between middle and neck or do they sound pretty similar. If close, that is a sure sign that the neck P90 is too high. Middle position should sound a bit like an acoustic guitar or if you will, have some kind of Strat quack to it.
     
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    ^^^ This, right here. Lower the neck P-90 and twist the pole screws until it sounds right.
     
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    I have the neck at 3/32 treble, 6/32 bass, poles are screwed all the way down. I hate raising the poles I've discovered, it neuters the pickup to my ear.

    The sound of the middle position is very, very different than the bridge or neck alone. It's as clucky as my Telecasters but with added mids - it's pretty nice :)

    I am pretty careful about setting pickup heights and also balancing them for output and a distinct middle tone. I like the bridge a bit hot and slightly louder than the neck, basically, and both should have some sparkle in the upper mids and treble ideally.

    The neck needs more treble, I've gone from as low as possible to as high as possible trying to find it in a useful setting.



     
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    Thanks.

    I'm not a fan of how it sounds with the poles raised, unfortunately.

     
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    @Wallaby I’be been thinking about the same thing for my P90’s.

    Just to through a couple things into your mix: I was thinking staple pickup for the neck on one and gold foils for the other.

    On my journey for now I’m working with the heights some more. And I’ve also found the tone control on the Pettyjohn Chime is interactive enough to adjust for some pick changes for me.
     
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    Yes, there are a few vendors out there. A4 is a little less powerful than A5 (which is probably what's in there) with a little more mids, A3 is the weakest of the lot and may just be the ticket. If you really want to dump some low end, remove one magnet from the neck P90. It works fine with one and will really clean it up.
     
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    I saw a pickup review that was interesting that includes Staples you might like -





     
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    I actually have a pair of RC A3 on hand, and also a pair of UO A5 ... They're the slightly longer and wider version, though.

    I'm going to see if they'll fit during my next string change I think.

     
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