Take "It doesn't sound identical" out of the equation....

Discussion in 'Modeling Amps, Plugins and Apps' started by codamedia, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. Digital Larry

    Digital Larry Friend of Leo's

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    ... and then the tube amp dies, requiring you to replace the tubes. It never sounds the same way again.

    I have one of them too. I would not make this claim, but mostly because I never bothered to try. It doesn't sound like my Laney tube amp either. Very flexible, sure...

    Ha! You only THINK you enjoyed that...

    I'm guessing that when the first modelers came out, all sorts of unique and valid tones were experimented with but they found that consumers could not relate to them without references to things they already knew. In this case, I blame the consumers. And the marketing department. And society in general.

    I have owned a LOT of digital gear and the few things I can think of that could not be salvaged included:
    a) A USB oscilloscope (after 5 years)
    b) one or two PC motherboards (after several years of service)

    Now if you are touring a lot and throwing your equipment around a lot, that is different. Since I never go anywhere or do nothin' I'm not as concerned about that.
     
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  2. Wallaby

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    Apparently so :/

     
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    I would extend that idea beyond amps. The whole notion of imitating other people's sound needs to be put in perspective. As a training exercise it can have its value, but taking it as an ultimate goal is selling yourself short as a musician.
     
  4. Masmus

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    All this is a mute point anyway. All of our favorite guitar sounds on most of our favorite classic rock/country ect... albums were recorded with an SM57 and other mics. Shouldn't the modelers use that as a base line. AND almost every recorded guitar commercially released has some eq put on by a recording engineer at the direction of a producer and most guitar players couldn't tell you what those settings were if they ever even knew. All that matters is does it sound good to you.
     
  5. codamedia

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    Here... let me repeat for those that choose to ignore my initial response to this statement.

    "Well, I started this thread, I don't own a ToneMaster, and I have no intention of buying a ToneMaster....
    so I conclude NO, it is not a "tone master thread again" ;)"
     
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    We can’t help it, we’re imbeciles.... at least I am I don’t know if I can speak for @Wallaby
     
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  7. Wallaby

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    I have tendencies...

    :)
     
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    Some do!

    Mic, mic placement and cabinet choices are part of the model available in my C.A.B. M+

    You can get a big sound out of that thing combining an SM-57 close-mic'd and a ribbon mic a little further away. Not that it sounds identical to anything, I would have no idea. But it's a pretty good sound IMO.

     
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    More power to ya. Have at it. More of the good stuff left for me.
     
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    I think that it is a moot point. they'd never hear you making your point if it was mute.
     
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    I'm a Fender Amp guy without doubt, but my favorite amp of all time (so far) is the Johnson Millennium. I have a 75 Twin Reverb. It sounds different than the TR model in JM but the JM sounds great plus it has effect I'd ever want built in. I wish they still made them.
     
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    I’m missing something here. Isn’t this the purpose of discussion forums?
     
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    I agree with the OP's premise that modeling amps shouldn't have to sound just like a particular tube amp to be acceptable, but if the purpose is to have fewer pointless threads about guitar stuff and tones - that's the whole point of this place. Should we be starting more threads about Which Pickups Are Best and 6 VS 3 Saddles again instead of the modeling debate? This place exists for debates like modeling vs tube.

    That said, I'm currently all-tube. I might be tempted to go the modeling and FRFR route but mostly because I'm committed to playing both electric and acoustic or resonator in a single set, and the acoustics don't sound their best through even a nice electric guitar amp.
     
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    There really isn't anything to debate. If it sounds good it is good. What else could you need?:rolleyes:
     
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    I’d you’re a photographer maybe you know about film. Fight it or attempt to deny it but there is a depth and magic in the analog process of film THAT IS NOT IN DIGITAL. “But it’s the image that matters” you might reply with. What??? Btw I am a photo major at a major art school (years ago) I have tube amps and a Fractal unit. So I may know something. They are different beasts.
     
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    Are the tubes repairable?
    They are disposable.

    do they die after less than a year, ALWAYS?

    Yes almost always.

    I don’t know that modelers doesn’t after a year or a few or ten or even twenty.
     
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  17. Larry F

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    This is a very good observation.
     
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    That's what I get for posting quick as I leave the house.
     
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    How do you manage to practice 5-6 hours a day? I'd like to do the same.
     
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    This is a great analogy. It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools.
     
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