Studio Produced hits of the 50's 60's Using Pros, yet the bands were just youngsters not allowed to play on their own records

[radtz]

Mili Vanilli didn't bother me either.

I was to young so I didn't get into 60's music at all so it doesn't bother me. Academically speaking, its and interesting thread.

The Mili Vanilli thing didn't bother me at all either. I though it was funny how strongly some people reacted since lip syncing was going on anyway. I was way more upset about sampling other artists.

That said I picked up a copy of the cassette out of the seconds bin right before the class action suit happened. I sent in my sleeve and got my check. I still have it some where. I used to display it in my office.

 

[SuprHtr]

I only learned of the professionals behind the scenes many years later, but at least I wasn’t frustrated by trying to recreate those sounds at the time. I started trying to play right before my 60th birthday and I still feel like the moron in the room. I know that McGuin was the only member of the Byrds allowed to play on their first record. And the rest of the band was pissed!

I knew the fix was in when circus boy turned up as the Monkees drummer....

Yeah, but Dolenz was arguably the singer that made the Monkees what they were. He was the sound of that band, despite contributions from, Nesmith, Jones, and Torkelson.

 

[Chester P Squier]

When I was a teenager, my favorite rock group was the Beach Boys. They were probably the best-known act accompanied by The Wrecking Crew.

Check this out, from late 1963:



But I think the Beach Boys really did play on their earlier stuff, such as the above.

 

[Red Ryder]

Gee Don I checked out your website for the first time. If somehow you could funnel this rant time into winding time I'll bet you could catch up on those backorders. I don't know, it's just a thought.

 

[Dave W]

I think you was about 10 years ahead of my Class of 1976 - My aunts and uncles never lost their Love for these old 60s hitmaker hits either - Great point thanks, Cheers

Class of 1965 here. I grew up seeing country musicians on TV who were obviously playing their own instruments live (in taped performances), like Ozark Jubilee and Town Hall Party in the 50s, and into the early 60s, Porter Wagoner, Wilburn Brothers and the local (Houston/Galveston) Gulf Coast Jamboree.

And my 50s rock & roll favorites, Fats Domino, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, et al, could be seen playing live on TV. So even though I knew nothing about house bands, I could tell when records were suspiciously slick sounding. Too perfect.

When I first heard Please Please Me played on local radio in 1963, a year before the Beatles arrived here, I had no idea who they were. But the song appealed to me, it was raw and obviously not some slick studio production.

 

[MTPoteet]

@don mare

Youngsters in bands should have been able to hear other youngsters in bands on the radio
even if it took them all 60-takes to get ONE good track!
At least we would have heard other youngsters on those guitar parts like ourselves.

Come on, you realize this would have been cost prohibitive. I know big profit for the record companies, producers, writers etc.....but I'm sure you don't spend your money foolishly.

Also, and I'm probably wrong, but wasn't Jimmy Page one of those studio musicians at a VERY young age? I'm sure there were many more young studio musicians.

I, personally am in it for the music, I even like stuff that I have no idea who any of the musicians are.

I am sorry that after all of these years you feel like a fraud victim.

These are just my personal opinions and are not meant to offend anyone, please forgive me if they have.

 

[omahaaudio]

But as aeyoung Guitarist I would have at least felt on PAR with those guitarist of my age and not
like a DUNCE on Guitar.

Those recordings were not made for you and every other sixteen year old guitarist, they were made for all those people that bought records, people wouldn't have bought them if the instruments were played by a bunch of raw high school kids.

Life's tough, get over it.

 

[omahaaudio]

Charles Mingus on The Beatles:

“They stole what we call rock, studied it — not the Beatles did it but some great classical minds from England…And they built the Beatles and the Beatles were a machine, and they promised these kids so much money, and they trained them. They were not musicians when they came. They even became musicians in four-five years, they learned.”

Mingus was playing THAT out of his ass.
The Beatles had an intense (some would suggest amphetamine fueled) apprenticeship playing in clubs in Liverpool and, in particular, Hamburgfor two years before the release of their first record in 1962.
The Beatles were pros. Young pros, but pros.

 

[omahaaudio]

SECOND < you said: "there is this stuff called Valium - you might want desperately need to try it"
THATS CALLED BULLYING, SIR
aka it falls under A PERSONAL ATTACK!
THIRD < you really had ZERO BUSINESS piping onto this thread other then to ATTACK ME!

Some people cannot take a joke.

 

[Killing Floor]

Nothing has changed.
2 words.

Nash Ville

 

[JPKmusicman]

That's show business. Fake is normal.

 

[MTPoteet]

@don mare
"money and corruption - hand in hand, lucky for me I only loved a few of their FRAUD POP songs,"

I am curious what particular fraudulant pop songs you may be referencing. It seems from your original post, there were many.

 

[Ricky D.]

The parts you are talking about are not that hard. The hard part for a bunch of spoiled 15 year olds would be to work in a professional way. Show up on time, remember the parts, etc.

 

[DeltaDavedbc]

It was kinda like professional wrestling. I loved Good Vibrations but always thought in the back of my mind, i can't believe the Beach Boys are playing that. they weren't! Then i was watching Pink Floyd concert on T.V.and i see this dark area behind the amps and there are these people sitting in the dark playing instruments . i always wondered how some could play while running and jumping around, well they don't and yea i think its stupid but oh so predictable.

 

[MTPoteet]

Don, it sounds like you had your first viewing of the documentary...The Wrecking Crew.
I found it fascinating.

So did I.

 

[Flat6Driver]

It was kinda like professional wrestling. I loved Good Vibrations but always thought in the back of my mind, i can't believe the Beach Boys are playing that. they weren't! Then i was watching Pink Floyd concert on T.V.and i see this dark area behind the amps and there are these people sitting in the dark playing instruments . i always wondered how some could play while running and jumping around, well they don't and yea i think its stupid but oh so predictable.

Pink Floyd? Are you sure?

I can bet many other jumping around bands but I was pretty sure PF could play.

 

[MTPoteet]

Those recordings were not made for you and every other sixteen year old guitarist, they were made for all those people that bought records, people wouldn't have bought them if the instruments were played by a bunch of raw high school kids.

Life's tough, get over it.

I never considered this. But those records were not meant as "guitar lessons" for 16 year olds.(I mean, I knew they weren't)

They were made for the general public, most of whom could care less who played, recorded, or profited from them.( And yes, profit has always been and will always be a part of every business) It's part of what this country is based on like it or not.

My wife has a much broader knowledge of all music than I do and she can't even hum in key or keep time.

 

[Red Ryder]

I was watching a beach movie last night, Frankie and Annette were driving to the beach followed by Dick Dale and the Deltones. They singing and playing. Then I noticed Dick's strat wasn't even plugged in! I think they were faking it. I was so mad that I'm never going to go to one of his concerts even if he is dead.

 

[Ironwolf]

Gee Don I checked out your website for the first time. If somehow you could funnel this rant time into winding time I'll bet you could catch up on those backorders. I don't know, it's just a thought.

Definitely uncalled for.

 

[Red Ryder]

Definitely uncalled for.

This entire post is uncalled for, it's a meaningless rant. When you're following a dog ya gotta watch where you step.