Strat question, seeking Telecaster tones

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  1. Skydog1010

    Skydog1010 Tele-Afflicted Platinum Supporter

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    Here's my theory, let me know if I'm missing the mark, please.

    Have tons of Strats to work with.

    Want to create Tele tones.

    If I use,

    a stainless steel pickguard

    Nocaster pickup in bridge position, standard cant.

    I want a TV Jones Classic in neck, for a bit more jangle, should I at least get to second base with this configuration?

    I remain clueless in Carolina.
     
  2. SixStringSlinger

    SixStringSlinger Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    I recently switched my Strat's plastic pickguard for an anodized gold one. While I do notice some change in it's tone acoustically, I can't say I really notice anything different through an amp. Nothing any more Tele-like, anyway. I wouldn't know if your stainless one would be any different.

    I think a large part of the equation is the bridge. Even a clamped-down-and-blocked Strat trem bridge will contribute to a tone that has more "give" than the more strident tone I associate with Tele's, compared with your typical Tele bridge design.

    A not-uncommon mod involves attaching some kind of metal plate to the bottom of a Strat's bridge pickup. Tele's have these, and it apparently contributes to the Tele tone. Does the Nocaster pickup you plan to use have one?

    You might also explore switching options that allow you to use the neck and bridge pickups together without the middle (assuming you'll have a middle).
     
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  3. JeffBlue

    JeffBlue Tele-Afflicted

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    I made a couple of copper strat pickguards routed for P90 in the neck, strat in the middle and telecaster bridge pickups. Having a telecaster bridge pickup in a strat is a great way to get tele sounds from a strat.
     
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    My first Tele was a Strat with a pickguard loaded with Tele pickups and control electronics, it Twang!ed better than my first Tele.

    The Telecaster tone is mostly about ergonomics (there is a lot of magic thrown around like bridge plate and tone wood etc etc) but here's what you'll need:
    -Move the Strat volume knob to the first tone pot location and plug the volume pot hole, now you are not blocked from strumming back there. Convert the remaining tone knob to a master tone knob. This is an advantage Hendrix had playing his righty Strats lefty -- no volume knob in the way of his picking hand.
    -Tele bridge vs strap pins and thigh cut put it slightly forward of where the Strat sits ... so players tend to put their palm behind the Tele bridge and pick between the bridge pickup and the saddles. This is where the Twang! comes from. Pick a Strat there (without the volume knob in the way) and it Twang!s too. Most players pick a Strat between the neck and middle pickups for a Strat's characteristic tones.
    -Tele bridge pickup is slightly hotter than Strat pickups, due to about 10-20% more bobbin windings.
    -Find an 1/8th inch steel plate to stick to the bottom of the Strat bridge pickup to reflect the magnetic field and increase output.
    -Alternately, load up the Strat with a Tele pickups and controls.
    -Hard tail or block the Strat trem and pull out the claw and trem springs (move the ground wire to something else than the claw you pulled out).
    -Swap the neck and middle pickups in the pickguard and you'll have a Tele 3-way switch with two extra middle pickup positions. You'll give up the #4 Quack option for the Tele neck+bridge option. Swap bridge and middle if you want to give up #2 position instead.

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  5. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Tele Axpert Ad Free Member

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    Make sure your setup is going to allow the pickups to be adjusted so they're mostly above the plane of the metal pickguard. Depending on what metal you choose, those eddy currents can really be messed with (with aluminum having more effect that you'd think).

    I guess Jvin248 is talking about a right hand/palm larger than mine. I'm twanging with the palm on, and not behind the bridge.
     
  6. E5RSY

    E5RSY Doctor of Teleocity

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    schmee Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    I think the tele bridge and pickup are key. or as you say a metal picguard for the pickup
     
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  8. E5RSY

    E5RSY Doctor of Teleocity

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    I'm not the technical type, but I've always had this hunch that the fact that the Strat's pickups are suspended in the air in the pickguard, vice being anchored to the body like a Tele, must have something to do with the difference. Not sure if there's any truth to that, or not; but it makes sense to me.
     
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  9. urbandefault

    urbandefault Tele-Holic

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    Da tonez is in da fingerz. ;)
     
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  11. Johnnypops

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    Funnily enough I had a really sweet mex strat and then my next guitar was a US tele and I copped a lot of friends asking how I loved the tele and to tell the truth THAT strat sounded TOO similar to the tele and I did I couldn’t tell the difference
    A year or two later I got a US strat and suddenly apples and oranges
    Lesson learnt my mex strat sounded so much like a tele that I didn’t know how a strat was supposed to sound
    You want both worlds get a mex strat and maybe muck around with middle pup

    I also have to say it took a while to adjust to playing the tele over the strat, as I’d only played strat or strat copies for 30 years so there was a period of adjustment to figure out my new girls voice
     
  12. WireLine

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    I’ve got a 95 Hecho en Mexico Strat with a Tele in bridge, Vintage Strat mid, and a cool rails in neck positions. One vol, one tone, and 2d tone repurposed to be a blend knob varying from series to parallel and everywhere in between...

    Gets some dang near perfect Tele tones.
     
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  13. tfarny

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    Get a real tele bridge pickup, pick closer to the bridge, lock down that trem the best you can or even do a hardtail conversion. That will get you pretty close.
     
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    I tried a steel Fralin baseplate on my strat bridge pickup and the difference was negligible. As everyone seems to be saying, there’s a lot of little differences that add up. I just ordered a T Banger from Vineham pickups - it’s supposed to be a drop-in tele sounding pickup for a strat. I’m not expecting miracles - but I’m hoping it’s in the ballpark!
     
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    You coud get/make one of these, maybe.......... It Twangs!!!!!
     
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  16. blues

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    You might want to call up someone like Budz a.k.a. Budz pickups . Ask him to wind you a higher output bridge pickup on a plate.

    If you want closer Tele tone and like Strats look into a hardtail
     
  17. awasson

    awasson Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

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    A Telecaster bridge pickup and a Strat bridge pickup are pretty different animals. I’d fit a Telecaster pickup in the bridge position and bolt it right to the body with holes in the pickguard to allow for accessing the height adjustment screws. I expect that should get you closer than anything else.
     
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  18. StoogeSurfer

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    ^^This. If there's something else than an actual Tele pickup that will get you there, then no one seems to know what it is, and I've never found it either after a lot of experimenting. Forget the added metal base plate to a Strat bridge p/u; it will help the bottom end slightly but do nothing for twang. Unfortunately a Tele pickup will not just drop into a vintage rout. The Rio Grande Stelly is the next best option if you don't have the rout space, and it's good, but won't take you all the way there either.
     
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    An interesting experiment for anyone to do; take ANY guitar with a not-hot bridge pickup such as a PAF, Jmaster, or vintage type P90, and no floating bridge, set your amp to clean and bright, maybe dial in a little bit of slapback, and pick down near the bridge, see how close you can get to a twangy country sound. It's really not as much about the gear as you think.
     
  20. Zepfan

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    Actually, I'd say it's a bit of both. Some Tele's have more twang than others due to different pickups. Picking near the bridge can offer some twang, but the scale length, metal bridge surround, saddles, pickups and sometimes a pickup baseplate can also add to the twang. The Tele has so much twang, I have stayed away from them all these years.
     
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