still a fender strat?

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  1. leonard d rock

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    my 2005 fender mim standard strat is getting a little heavy for my back. i plan to buy a squier bullet strat and use the body, with the fender neck electronics and hardware. would the guitar still be technically a fender?

    im going to assemble also the leftover squier neck with the fender body and parts. is it a squier?

    so what make a guitar, the neck with the brand or the body?

    thanks

    ldr
     
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    Nah, IMO swap the body or neck on a guitar and it's a partscaster. Both would be partscasters.
     
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    I have a ‘98 American Standard Strat body that I put a new Player Strat neck on and a Squier Classic Vibe body that I put the ‘98 American Standard neck on.
    Neither has the original pickups or tuners, so I understand that they’re “partscasters”, but I just call them Stratocasters to all of the noone who has ever asked me what I call my guitars.
    If I was to sell them I’d be honest about what was what.
     
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    It's semantics. Whatever you think it is is about as close as you will get to an answer.
     
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    I’ve wrestled with this for years as I upgraded everything about my first strat. The only thing original now is the body, pickguard and neck plate.
    I asked all my musician friends about it. The bassist in one of my bands put it best. He said if you own it, and more importantly play it. You decide what it is and it’s value. It is semantics after all. I have partcasters that I’ve put Fender decals on though. So I’m probably not the best person to ask.
    But if you love it.. it’s yours. That’s the most important distinction.
     
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    I'm of the school of thought that if you play the crap out of a guitar because it's just right ... who cares what it's worth ? I'd totally take the neck and the hardware and whack it on a nice lightweight Squier body. I do it all the time because I'm not looking to make money on resale, I want something that plays great.
     
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    They’re both Squenders. But you can alway reassemble them back to stock. I wouldn’t think too hard about it. Lots of people mix and match.
     
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    You have entered into the partscaster realm.

    Didn't that $3-Million+ Gilmour black Strat have half a dozen neck replacements over the years and three body replacements?

    I wonder who is hoarding those old necks and bodies ...

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    This is my grandfathers ax ... it's had 3 new handles and we replaced the head after we ground the old one down too far to be useful anymore ... but it's still the best ax we ever had.
     
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    Have you tried a wider strap with cushioning?
     
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    Squiers are great for the money, not like it was in the 60s & 70s, though now I wish I'd kept some of those gold foil pickups - see how much people want for them.

    Nobody ever told me that I would have sounded better if I played a Fender instead of a Squier.
    Keep that MIM, use it for your sit down guitar or as was already posted, try a different strap.
    No such thing as too many Strats
     
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    What good would the answer to this question do? You are doing what you are doing, and it doesn't matter what it's called.
     
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    hello guys.
    i love the neck of that guitar so id want to gig it. i tried a wider strap and to a degree its more comfortable. but the guitar is still heavy to lug around so a lighter body would also make it easier to carry around. i even tried lugging it in a lightweight gigbag but it has less padding so lesser protection.
    would enlarging the routs under the pickguard contribute much to lessening the weight?
    thanks for the replies, so far

    ldr
     
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    To me, the whole point to having Fender styled guitars is the ease of modding. IMO, if you change everything but the original body & neck it's a modded guitar. As soon as you separate the original body and neck it's a Partscaster.

    If you view a guitar as what it really is (a tool for making music), then it doesn't matter what "it is" as long as it does what you want it to.
     
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    You could remove material under the pickguard, but I don't think you'll get enough out to significantly reduce the weight. You will most definitely reduce the value & or saleability of the body. I have 8 Strats & most are Alder, one is Swamp Ash, 2 are Poplar. The weights of the Alder bodied guitars vary significantly. Though Swamp Ash is supposed to be light, my lightest Strat is one of the Alder bodied Strats. At this point the light Strat is a 93 MIJ Fender 62 Reissue neck & tuners, a Fender American Vintage bridge, Allparts aged 62 body, & G.F.S. 63 Texas wound pickups. Pickguard might be a Fender. Don't know. As a whole it's a very comfortable guitar that's looks authentic.

    My heaviest Strat is also an Alder body. An MIM Kenny Wayne Shepard.

    I think you should consider a Squier Classic Vibe 60's body. The one I had was lighter Alder & not full thickness, so the overall weight was considerably less while still being of decent quality with good looks and tone.
     
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    The absolute maximum you can save by routing under the pickguard ... and I mean really creative routing at that ... is 5 or 6 ounces. If you had an oldschool S-S-S pickup rout (traditional) you might save a half pound. It could get mighty thin above the tremolo spring cavity to save that half pound, so when I said "creative" I also meant "very careful".

    Me ? It's going to be a gigging guitar, not a financial retirement fund, right ? Put the neck and hardware on the lighter body. If it doesn't already have one, give it a swimming pool rout. Then it will be even lighter by about 4 ounces.
     
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    You just stepped into a bunch of philosophy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

    ... and keeping with the 2nd clause of "Theseus' ship" philosophy, could not the owner of those necks and bodies put them together and have at least 3 "Original Gilmour Black Strat"s? Or could they only do that with the original original parts? If that is the case, what makes the current "original" the original that's worth 3 mil?

    http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=66

    ^^ Good golly miss Molly, you're right; that thing has gone through changes...
     
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    It doesn't matter what you change, it will always be the same guitar.
    It's know as Triggers Broom:

     
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    It only matters if you intend to sell them.
     
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    As the old Wendy's commercial used to say "parts is parts" so I would say it's like the old chicken nuggets. There was definitely chicken in the nuggets but it may have been from many parts (I always suspected sawdust as well) so it was a chicken nugget.
    That said there are plenty of good partscasters including some famous ones like "Blackie".
    As long as you don't try to pass it off as something that it's not, it doesn't matter what you call it.
     
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