Speaking of "an"...

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  1. Bluesboy3

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    I was always taught that the word "an" was only supposed to be used prior to a word that has a vowel. But a lot of folks say "an historic day". Where H is not a vowel, nor pronounced like a vowel....

    Hmmmm.....
     
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    Show us 3 video examples to justify your premise.
     
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    Well, sometimes it can sound like a vowel, such as 'an honorable act.'
     
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    Historically, many words beginning on "h" had a silent "h", so the writing convention stuck. In many accents, the "h" in "historic" still is silent.
    ..."an 'istoric day"
     
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    “An historic day” is for the Frasier Cranes of the world. “A” works better in that case.

    But “an” works better than “a” a lot of the time.

    For example, you’d sound like an idiot if you said “It’s a honor to meet you.”
     
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    A , E , I , O, an H .... its OK :)
     
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    Our English language is fun.

    You say an herb, an historically significant piece of petrified Viking poop, I’ve even seen an helicopter.

    But never seen or heard an home, or an hole. You also don’t call someone an hole. If you catch my drift.
     
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    I believe an historic day is correct.
     
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    Well... In this example, it IS pronounced like a vowel. Or, more specifically, it's silent, leaving you with that vowel.

    Nobody says "an hhhhhhhhistoric day" unless they're ignorant. And nobody says "an 'istoric day" unless they're either a poser or English.
     
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    It is not.
     
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    Speaking of "an" -

    I learned to read before I went to school. In first grade the other kids were being taught to read. I just played along. But they sent home some flashcards and a babysitter ran me through them one day. I got everything right, no hesitation, until she flashed this siiiiimple little card with "an" on it.

    Of course, I said it like it sounds. "Un."

    I was so pist when she corrected me, saying "Aaaayyyaaaaaan," like anyone ever says it that way. "We saw un elephant at the zoo. He swallowed un iceberg lettuce whole. I got to have un ice cream." Ayyaan my ass.
     
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    Well, If I was you, I would have went and did my homework on English grammar, and be more prepared for.

    Edit- just being silly, i screw up a lot, with our English now, ( and I was a foreign languages guy, in another life...very distant now)
     
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    Well, it entirely depends on how (whether) you pronounce the H in historic.
     
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    Pronouncing historic while dropping the H is also incorrect.
     
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    Like a lot of weirdness in the English language (not all of it), you can blame it on Français influences. For the letter “H”, the pronunciation dictates the indefinite article:
    • Use “a” before words where you pronounce the letter “H” such as “a hat,” “a house” or “a happy cat.”
    • Use “an” before words where you don’t pronounce the letter “H” such as “an herb,” “an hour,” or “an honorable man.”
    https://www.gramlee.com/blog/indefinite-articles-a-or-an-before-h-blame-the-confusion-on-the-french/
     
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    Sometimes, the best course of action is to avoid controversy.

    So, I would say, "We makin' history today, ain't we?"

    That's the real joy of the English language. See a problem up ahead? Turn left.
     
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    I ran into this awhile back and our resident tdpri history prof straightened me out. I was taught 'an historic' was correct. It has changed and now while you can use either a historic is now correct.

    time and usage, change.
     
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    How is the "h" in historic not prounounced?
     
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    So historically speaking, the h can be pronounced or silent. Got it.
     
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    I think its a regional thing ?
     
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