Source for #8 x 2" neck screws?

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by Marn99, Apr 8, 2020.

Tags:
  1. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    So as you all may or may not know, the #8 screws on vintage fenders are 2 inches long as opposed to the modern neck screws that are 1 3/4. I have about 6 NOS nickel plated neck screws from the 50s, but I'd like to avoid buying expensive NOS screws for every build. Does anyone know where I can get nickel plated #8 x 2 inch oval head phillips screws?
     
    AlbertaGriff likes this.
  2. dougstrum

    dougstrum Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,389
    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2015
    Location:
    blu ridge mtn cabin
    I just use SS oval heads from hardware or building supply.
    I suspect nickle plate is specialty item these days, not sure there is an inexpensive retail source:(
     
    SacDAve likes this.
  3. AlbertaGriff

    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Location:
    Canada
    This is an interesting one. My AV '59 Strat also has 2" screws, and the heads are a little stripped/sharp, so I have been looking to replace them. I've asked at the local Fender dealer, no dice. I e-mailed Fender and they weren't able to help either.

    Their part number (at least for the AV 59 Strat) is 0058060000.
     
  4. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

    Age:
    73
    Posts:
    11,890
    Joined:
    May 1, 2003
    Location:
    Jacksonville, FL
    are yoi sure you want 2 inches.... on most bolt-ons that will at best dislodge the fingerboard.. and it may poke through the top.. standard are 1 ¾ long...

    https://www.mcmaster.com/90315a484

    rk
     
  5. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    I suspect you're right unfortunately. I know there are some independent/custom screw manufacturers, but they'd probably have some sort of minimum order. Perhaps I should check with them anyway and see how bad the damage would be.
     
  6. RickyRicardo

    RickyRicardo Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,322
    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta
    Exactly. The screws would be almost poking through. Take a ruler and measure on an assembled guitar. There is lots of info out there on how Fender did use 2" screws up until the CBS takeover but I wouldn't do it for the sake of being exactly vintage correct.
     
  7. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    Interesting, I wonder if they aren't willing to sell them as parts or if fender themselves has trouble sourcing them.
     
  8. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    Yep! ;) It is true that you have to be far more careful when drilling and installing them, but provided you stay focused while doing it, I've had no problems.
     
  9. AlbertaGriff

    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Location:
    Canada
    I just looked at the spec sheet for the American Original 50's Strat, and it looks like it also uses 2" screws, but with a different part number:

    0058060049

    So maybe they are obtainable if you ask for the right part. I will try that one with my local service shop.

    As for why I use them, I want to replace the part that is already there. That's all.
     
  10. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

    Age:
    73
    Posts:
    11,890
    Joined:
    May 1, 2003
    Location:
    Jacksonville, FL
    my question would be why take the chance.. if the existing holes are stripped or just "tired". plug those rascals with a hardwood dowel and have at it with "normal" screws.. if the rationale is, longer screws = more pressure on the neck pocket which equals better anything ... that would simply be incorrect....



    r
     
    Steveinthesticks and Steve Holt like this.
  11. YYZman

    YYZman TDPRI Member

    Age:
    51
    Posts:
    11
    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2017
    Location:
    Toronto
    http://www.blacksmithbolt.com/

    This place carries the 1 3/4” screws in a variety of platings (including nickel) and also offer them in slot or Phillips head.
     
    Kevin Wolfe, Marn99 and AlbertaGriff like this.
  12. AlbertaGriff

    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Location:
    Canada
    Marn99 likes this.
  13. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
  14. old wrench

    old wrench Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,312
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2017
    Location:
    corner of walk and don't walk
    Here's a question for ya'all -

    Back in the 1950's did Fender use wood screws or sheet metal screws?

    There is quite a bit of difference between the two different types.


    .
     
  15. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    Fender used sheet metal screws, though for the earliest instruments such as blackguards, as is the case with a lot of things about them, all bets are off and it is within the realm of possibility that some may have had wood screws, a combination of sheet metal and wood screws, or all sheet metal screws. I would guess that after 52 things standardized.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2020
  16. AlbertaGriff

    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Location:
    Canada
    The AV guitar I am referencing uses wood screws, as are current replacements.
     
  17. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    Do you have pics? I've never seen wood screws on a modern fender guitar. Bear in mind that wood screws and sheet metal screws can be deceptively similar looking. I always look at the minor diameter of the thread when distinguishing the two, as sheet metal screws have a consistent minor diameter whilst wood screws taper all the way up to the end of the thread.
     
  18. old wrench

    old wrench Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,312
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2017
    Location:
    corner of walk and don't walk
    Right!

    Wood screws have a consistent taper from point to head and the upper quarter or so is un-threaded.




    edit: For attaching a neck, there really is no point in having threads all the way up to the head.

    Another can o' worms :) ???
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2020
  19. AlbertaGriff

    AlbertaGriff Tele-Afflicted

    Posts:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Location:
    Canada
    No pics of mine at the moment, but maybe I was looking at the wrong thing.

    All I was looking at was whether there were threads up to the head of the screw. On my AV there is not.

    Like this:

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Holic

    Age:
    20
    Posts:
    650
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2016
    Location:
    Brookfield, WI
    Okay so I should also clarify that there are some exceptions to the sheet metal screw thing other than blackguards. Some early Stratocaster jack plate screws were wood screws.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2020
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.