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soul, dues

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Larry F, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. Larry F

    Larry F Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    I heard this word a lot in the 60s-70s, but not so much anymore. Playing with soul, soulful, soul band, etc. I wonder why we don't hear it used as much these days.

    In the 60s-70s, "paying your dues" was a phrase we heard a lot. With the decline of live music venues, we don't talk about paying your dues.

    I'd entertain reasons why these terms aren't used as much nowadays.
     
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    They went the way of 'cool, groovy, right on and hang tight'. It just happens, dig?
     
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    For the most part, there’s not a circuit or a nightclub business where one would pay their dues in the old fashioned sense anymore. Bands don’t go to a club for a week and play five sets a night like they did decades ago.

    instead, young musicians start bands, put their original music online, and tour like crazy. Most get nowhere. But this is no less of a dues paying process than the old way of doing things.

    Also, people don’t say “pay your dues” for the same reason they no longer call their clothes zoot suits. Language changes.
     
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    Ironically, I still use that as a statement as to where I am in my career. I am still paying my dues. Although it should be noted that there are those who have made it without paying their dues. I have been paying for years with no progress.
     
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    I would gladly play clubs, Honky Tonk, and circuits if I got paid. What I wouldn't give to play music every day.
     
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    I use all of those phrases on a daily basis.
     
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    Now we pay fees and nobody has soul.
     
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    You need to get out more!
     
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    Wait, are you talking about that theoretical parallel universe where hard work pays off and SS is there when we retire?
     
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    I hear "soul, soulful" a lot from musicians, and "paying your dues" from players, bikers, ex-cons, so, maybe we live in different worlds.
    I'll admit the media has abandoned "soul", but current popular culture is fickle and changes all the time.
    "What's hip today might become passe." -Tower of Power
     
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    We traded in dues for cred
     
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    Yeah, dude, that was one boss phrase.
     
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    When punishment
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    With tasseled airs
    of hardship
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    Gaudeamus igitur

    The elder eyes
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    remembering fresh-brushed
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    “Did Everyone Pay Their Dues?” was the original title of “Street Fighting Man”.
     
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    People don't want to work for and earn other's respect, admiration, and their reputation anymore, they want instant fortune, preferably by winning the lottery, or some other get rich quick scheme, preferably with as little work or effort as possible.
     
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    Yiu are making it sound like that is a Bad thing.
     
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    The spirit of humanity has changed. There is no soul available to be put into music anymore, even if someone wanted it. Soul emanates from a heart that celebrates life. Music these days is infused with anger and angst.

    As for paying dues, that phrase suggests working toward something of value. No one wants to work toward anything of value over a long, slow grind anymore. These days, instant gratification is desired, indeed demanded.

    More than just language has changed. Sorry to be a storm petrel, but that’s the way it is now, and it’s unlikely to change to happier circumstances. There are just too many things that we once took for granted in life that are now circling the drain.
     
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    Impressive speed and lots of high volume has replaced soul.

    Good taste has been long gone...
     
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    I know plenty of bands that have paid their dues.


    Literally, they maxed out 5 digits on each member's credit card to pay to play venues on tours hoping to get the band famous. Go see what it costs to play Whiskey A Go Go.


    That's about how it works these days. Plus, no one is going to pay their dues in cover bands in Norman Oklahoma when the venue has to pay thousands to different companies to license song lists as the selfish wads who grew up paying their dues covering their heroes' songs sold their own tunes off to troll farms.



    You don't pay your dues to get famous anymore because the process of getting famous isn't as organic. At the most, you pay your dues to hope 10 years down the road you can pack a 250 seat place. Yep, they just call it giggin' these days.


    Look at recent history of certain famous artists (some controversial or loved here)..

    The goal: Show their talents as a teen or pre-teen, have your hard working parents become your manager and drag you all over the country into every record company office and opening act possible, develop a following very early based "Look, so and so sounds so good and is ONLY 14 years old!!" Then, go through a severe process of showering adulation, make money, scout the next pre-teen talent. What dues are there to pay?
     
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    It’s nowhere near that bad. No matter what kind of music you like, there are still people putting their soul into it and doing good work.
     
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