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Sophisticated blues

Discussion in 'Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique' started by Ash Telecaster, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. ndcaster

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    iirc, Ellis was from Texas and has a bit of twang in his tone

    personally, I find him a little too genteel for my taste, but every time I put on his blues record, it's an approachable clinic in jazz-blues

    and good enough for fricking OSCAR PETERSON

    worth attention, even if he doesn't get down and dirty
     
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  2. ndcaster

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    learn this entire record



    enough approachable ideas here to work on for a year
     
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    I hear ya, brother. And that made me laugh:)
     
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  4. MickM

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    Anybody tell that Tiny is playing a fat body Gibson Tenor guitar? (leaving 2 strings at home) Only way I could tell is by looking at the picture.
    No idea how he tunes it. Standard would be CGDA like a mandola I think.
     
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  5. Ignatius

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    Check out Chuck D'Aloia's lesson materials. His website is https://chuckdaloiamusic.com/new-recording-lessons and you can sample some of his lessons on YouTube. It's not slickly produced, but for $50 it is an absolute STEAL and there's enough material here to keep you busy for a long, long time.

    Chuck breaks stuff down into (fairly) easy to understand pieces. He'll show you some modal stuff without bogging you down with the "why" it works (although he does delve more deeply in some of the more advanced material).

    I've played for a long time and his material opened a few new doors for me. Chuck is a phenomenal player too.
     
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    +1 on the Chuck D'Aloia material.
    He is a phenomenal player that is criminally undersung.
     
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    It's a Gretsch tuned DGBE. Plenty of info on YouTube, I just like this guys playing.

     
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    You're missing something huge.
    Using a minor scale type approach to blues is a distinct classic sound and has the tightest connection to old style electric blues. Most people use minor and major pents to get these sounds. The three Kings, T-Bone, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, SRV,,, those are the geniuses behind that classic electric blues sound.

    But the OP wanted to step away from that classic sound and wanted to explore sophisticated blues ideas. What I presented was a common sophisticated idea that showed it's face in the 70s fusion explosion. And Larry Carlton was on top.

    These three minor pents, A, D, and E minor pents should be thought of as three >colors< that are derived from the G Mixolydian. Played in steady streams of 16ths or 8ths the colors reveal themselves the best.

    Go on YouTube, find a G7 backing track, and play the A, D, and E minor pents,, along with the classic G min blues scale. Mix the two ideas up. If it works for you then you will understand. But you need to woodshed, play and internalize. Put a little time into it, I want you to like it.

    I could tab out examples if you like?
     
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    Kirk Fletcher has been named, but I’m surprised no one has mentioned Josh Smith yet.
     
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    It's late, I just got home, my hands hurt, I'm brain dead and too tired to experiment. Spell that out a little more, please. Parallel scales over each chord?
     
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    Was thinking the same thing. Matt Schofield and Josh Smith are two great blues improvisers in the modern genre.
    Unfortunately I have to ignore most of the parts where they aren’t soloing, but I’m sure there are folks who like their songs just fine.
     
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    I know Robben has been talked to death here but this slays me
     
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    Buddy Whittington is a class blues player..........
     
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    thanks, ASKAT, no examples needed.
     
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    You're welcome,
     
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    You almost got my name correct,
    ASATKat, ASAT is my G&L Special, and Kat is my little Katana amp.
     
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  19. Ash Telecaster

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    This is without a doubt the best place to ask this kind of question. I now have tons of music and ideas to explore.

    Not long after I started this thread I came down with a whopper of a cold. I have been watching and reading but too sick to do much with it. I'm finally coming out on the other side and really looking forward to exploring this music and all your ideas.

    Thanks so much for all your posts!
     
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    Both of us wrong. Look at images for Guild Tenor Guitars. Tailpiece, cut-away and headstock inlay give it away. I went looking 'cause the cut-away looked too sharp for a Gretsch. This image isn't the same model but close enough.[​IMG]
     
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