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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Sparky2, May 11, 2021.
Please find me another way to die and she cried....
I’ve died a million times.
Each time harder than the death before.
There have been many that have killed me these million deaths.
But you have have been the most violent in my hearts demise.
How terrible a fate to love your killer.
I wrote this as a girl ripped me to shreds.
I would disagree.
Words are the foundation on which you can build upon.
Proper choice of chords also accentuate the delivery.
Try adding emotion to a vapid storyline or dull words.
Possibly one of the most perfect love songs ever written. IMHO, of course.
"A simple boy meets girl story, complicated somewhat by the presence of a motorcycle"
Lou Reed all the way from left to right, up to down, and from the beginning (The V.U.) to the end.
To me, he was the real American Poet.
He covered the whole spectrum:
- The most beautiful feelings, comes to my mind "I'll be your mirror".
- and the ugliest, bizarre, weird. "feel sick and dirty, more dead than alive", "it's hard being a Man, living in a garbage can" to name a couple.
Beside the extremes, he is also talking about mundane 'daily' things such as the words on "perfect day"or certain marginal ones in a colloquial (to him) way like "walk on the wild side".
You've just described the entire genre of metal. Everything taken to the extreme, leaving taste and nuance far behind in a ditch.
That’s alot of the reason I stopped listening to metal. In my teens, every emotion inside me just kept bottling up, and I had to scream to get it out. That's metal in a nut shell. As I've grown older, I've discovered there are alot of nuances. Some feelings are subtle, and gets drowned out if you try to express them too loudly, or too vulgarly.
To me, what you and your army buddies were saying was in no way "extreme", or "provoking" or too profound for the mainstream or whatever you want to call it. It was the way that immature boys speaks to each other to try to shock and get to some laughs. It's ok, we've all been there, and we all felt really clever when we did, but it's really just immature boys being immature.
Both from the same record:
A good time romp of a murder ballad.
Goes deep on this one.
And then there's this, just devastating. Warning: one F-bomb.
It is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard but it litteraly gives me chills every time I hear it... "The will to death is what keeps me alive It's one step away, step away..."
There is plenty of instrumental music that has more emotion than any Bob Dylan song.
My take on Dylan is that his melodies are humdrum, but that sometimes he delivers an emotional punch with melody and lyric, such as here, though the Billy Joel, Garth Brooks and Adele versions may do it better.
Plenty of instrumentals with emotion. Like this one:
The story I heard wrt to this instrumental, is that it originally had lyrics, but they were pulled.
For an instrumental to stand by itself, I would say it requires 'emotion' otherwise it's rather senseless.
Songs with lyrics: plenty of vapid songs out there.
IMO the lyrics need to be able to stand by themselves, then the musical content can complement and support. If done properly it can have a strong emotive effect.
Class is in session. This whole album!
I really disagree with this. I think the best examples are probably joyous songs.
Well be-bop-a-Lula she's my baby
Be-bop-a-Lula I don't mean maybe
Be-bop-a-Lula she's my baby
Be-bop-a-Lula I don't mean maybe
Be-bop-a-Lula she's my baby doll
My baby doll, my baby doll
Well she's the girl in the red blue jeans
She's the queen of all the teens
She's the one that I know
She's the woman that loves me so
I don’t think that many folks would say that these lyrics are super great on their own, but Gene Vincent is so effective at projecting the emotion of joy with his delivery, that it makes the song great. There are thousands of examples of this. I would say that the essential task of a pop singer is to take simplistic lyrics and infuse them with emotion in a way that makes them compelling.
I would 1 million percent rather be a singer who could deliver so so lyrics in a compelling way than a writer who could compose lyrics that can stand by themselves.
“My brain hurts a lot” is a great example of a lyric that does not have any emotional content of its own, but is imbued with emotion by Bowie’s delivery.
Mick Jagger said “it’s the singer, not the song,” and I think that’s right.
I have never heard anything more raw than Lennon's Mother. Found a live recording for a little extra pathos
Delivery and composition are very different things.
IMO combining the two is stronger emotively than either one on its own.
People thought Lennon was just hacking out a little diddy to be the title song of the Beatles' second movie. But it really was a cry for "Help!"
I think tatty picker "wins the thread."
For my likes and what I heard I think Andrew Marlin is one of the most poetic song writers living today, his songs touch so many true emotions in life. All the beautiful great American standards. Dan Penn has written many good songs. Percy (not Curtis) Mayfield wrote so many good songs.
I’ve always been a Kristofferson fan. He has had some prolific lyrics that never cease to move me. “I’d trade all my tomorrows for a single yesterday”-powerful stuff.
I still like this after many years of loneliness.