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Sometimes it's small changes that make a nice difference...

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by DHart, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. DHart

    DHart Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

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    I know, it's a bit odd. I could do without the Master Volume control, too! Make things even simpler! But, I'll live with it - I only play it in my home music studio.

    Some might think "well, with these changes, why not just buy a Gibson, then?"

    Well, Gibsons have humbuckers and I prefer the Filter'trons. Hard to find guitars with Filter'trons, aside from Gretsch.

    And, this is a hollow body that's 2.75" deep - not too deep, not too shallow - just RIGHT, in my view. Does Gibson offer that? If so, at what price? I paid about $1850 for this pro-line Gretsch, factory fresh & new, from Sweetwater, a year ago, or so. Gibson can't touch this for less than, what, $2500, $3000, or more? And even then, not with Filter'trons.

    (I can and have easily converted from humbucker to Filter'tron-size/style -TV-HT Hilo'trons to be precise- on my Gibson ES-339, so that's not a difficult mod to any guitar with humbuckers.)
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    And lastly, build quality - this is as finely-crafted as the best Gibsons were, and is made better than most Gibsons, especially in recent years production.

    So... perhaps this is my Gretsch for a Gibson lover, I guess? :lol:
     
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  2. DHart

    DHart Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

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    Yep... pick guards on my ES-Les Pauls and my other hollow and semi hollows have been removed, as well.

    I installed the TV Jones T-Armonds (Dynasonic type) on this ES Les Paul. Exquisite tone quality, now! (Also, new wiring harness and Tele steel knobs.)
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    Trim rings do need to go black.
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  3. srblue5

    srblue5 Tele-Meister

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    Looks great!

    I did the same thing a few years back, removing the pick guard from an Epiphone hollowbody I owned, which renewed my interest in playing that guitar for a while.
     
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    I have a Gretsch with a little used bigby, you have inspired me to change. :)
     
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  5. lil scotty

    lil scotty Tele-Meister

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    I almost traded for an ES-LP. We could not agree on the money in between. I called him the next day to agree to it but he decided to keep it. Then he sold it 2-3 months later. I think those can look a little too busy and cramped too, but yours looks great. That is my type of machine. I’m a small guy. Love the sound of a semi hollow but lots of them are too big.
     
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  6. DHart

    DHart Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

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    lil scotty... oh man what a nice discovery the ES-Les Paul models are. Very light weight, compact, and the bodies are quite a bit more hollow than, for example, the ES-339 - which is another big favorite of mine. By going with a very minimal center block, Gibson/Epiphone really added a lot of air to the inside of the ES-Les Paul, which added a lot of air to the tone, as well.

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    Easy access for electronics mods and pickup changes, too:
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    Gibson only made the ES-Les Paul in the USA from 2014-2016. The Gibson version that I played seemed very cheaply made, and way overpriced.
    They made them in their Epiphone plant for quite a long time, from 2008 to 2019. And, I think the Epi versions are nicer than the Gibson versions.

    Look for the Epiphone Les Paul ES models. They are EXTREMELY rare on the market, as it seems the owners don't want to let them go. There are several Gibson ES-Les Pauls on Reverb, but the sellers are asking very big money for them.

    I was VERY fortunate to fine two, a little over a year ago, a lightly used 2017 wine red model and a new 2019 trans black model - both from Guitar Center. They're excellent instruments. Even the ProBucker pickups sound great, especially in coil-split mode. I did install T-Armond Dynasonics in my wine red model and it sounds absolutely exquisite. Epiphone can make really excellent guitars in their upper lines and the ES-Les Paul is definitely right up there in quality. Bound f-holes in the Epi ES-Les Paul. But not in the Gibson version.

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  7. lil scotty

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    I have had a couple 339s and did not like the cutout on them; too tight, but oh those Es-LPs, just right. I did not know about the difference in semi-hollowness. That would explain part of my disorientation with the ES I tried out. It almost seemed unreal, in its lightness.
     
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    A gretsch always looks better to me with bigsby 20121017_155513.jpg
     
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    I love the look of a Bigsby...they’re like fender skirts on a ‘59 Cadillac...cool-looking but ultimately unnecessary.

    I have no use for a tremolo/vibrato/whatever, and the tuning instability, difficulty in string changes and added weight doesn’t really make it a good addition to me.

    You did a good job modding your guitar—I’m impressed!
     
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  10. DHart

    DHart Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

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    The important thing is to do what pleases you with your guitars - doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or prefers!
     
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    that is my 1999 G2504 jet pro...or is it pro jet....???
    came with uncovered mudbuckers and hardtail and ugly knobs.
    glued in set neck...solid body...it weighs about the same as Tasmania....no tuning or restringing probs...i use a capo when restringing bigsbys...and the SOUND....
    Oh i string over that front roller bar...it just works better for me...fewer points of contact.
    That thing is the Queen Beatch of sustain
     
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    Could get an Epiphone Casino or Casino Coupe and put the Gretsch pickups in it and a B70 Bigsby in place of the Trapeze tail piece.
     
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    Wow seeing the change like that was really interesting. Just seeing the after photo made me want to pick it up, whereas before it looked more like something to display.

    Nicely done.

    j

     
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    i did that to an epiphone sheraton
     
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    That's a sharp looking Gretsch. And to me also ... way better with no pickguard.
     
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  16. DHart

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    I could see putting Filter'trons, Dynasonics, or Hilo'trons in a Casino. But I'd pass on the trem.

    I had a Japanese-made Casino Eliteist, which I enjoyed. But in a hasty desire for something else, I traded it in. Kind of wish I had kept it.

    Most of my playing is practicing and composing new ideas. And I do so playing at a very moderate volume level - not LOUD at all. My days of playing loud are over.

    And when I'm playing with a hollow body electric (as with the Casino I had), I often hear as much of the sound coming off the guitar itself as from the amp - and that bothers me a little. This also happens with my Gretsch G6119, so I tend to bump the amp volume a bit higher when playing the Gretsch.

    Of course, that doesn't happen with my solid bodies and semi-hollow guitars, as they are not loud enough acoustically to be heard over my amps volume.
     
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    Thanks for chiming in, mad dog. We have similar taste in guitars!
     
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