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Discussion in 'Acoustic Heaven' started by Jammin'John, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Jammin'John

    Jammin'John Friend of Leo's

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    My friend has the Yamaha Stagepass 300 that we've used for band rehearsal five years. I like the quality of Yamaha, I have an EMX512SC which has always worked great.
     
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    I've jammed with guys who use the Yamaha 500, just for vocals, and its very impressive.
     
  4. Jammin'John

    Jammin'John Friend of Leo's

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    I do like yamaha gear.
    I've had guitars & use a yamaha drum machine.

    I like that the 8-channel 150W + 150W STAGEPAS 300 mixer and the 10-channel 250W + 250W STAGEPAS 500 mixer StagePas 500 can be used either while installed in the speaker compartment or detached for easy positioning and access.

    The specs are kinda crappy though,distortion/power wise.

    Maximum Output Power 250 W + 250 W (±10 %)/4Ω @ 10 % THD at 1 kHz (SPEAKERS L/R)
    Output Power (RMS) 200 W + 200 W/4Ω @ 1 % THD at 1 kHz (SPEAKERS L/R)
    250 watts at TEN PERCENT THD...................ouch,10% is a LOT ! :rolleyes:
    200 at 1% ?
    I wonder what it makes with a better # like .1%. Maybe 150w a side.
    It has compression,which is good,but only reverb for effects.
    Maximum output level (1m; on axis) 116dB
    I can't find a good deal on one.

    The specs are better on the Samson:
    Specifications*
    Maximum Output Power
    250 W + 250 W @ 8 Ω
    Maximum Output Level (0.5% T.H.D. @ 1kHz)
    +22dBu(MONITOR L/R) @ 10 kΩ
    +14 dBu (REC) @ 10 kΩ
    T.H.D
    <0.1% @+14 dB 20 Hz ~ 20 kHz (MONITOR L/R,REC L/R) @ 10 kΩ
    Frequency Response
    20 Hz ~ 20 kHz +/-1 dB, 10 kΩ (MONITOR L/R)
    20 Hz ~ 20 kHz +0/-1 dB, 10 kΩ (REC L/R)
    Hum and Noise (Input GAIN=Maximum Input sensitivity, MIC)
    -112dBu equivalent input noise ( Rs = 150 Ω )
    -90dBu Residual noise (MONITOR L/R) all Levels at Minimum
    -80dBu MONITOR at nominal level and all channel Levels
    minimum.
    -70dBu MONITOR at maximum level and all channel Levels
    minimum

    A REAL 250w per channel at EIGHT OHMS !
    The XP510i features built-in, high quality, 24-bit Reverb Effects
    The XP510i has a built-in iPod dock.

    BOTH of these units have loud fans which you probably don't notice at a gig but might be annoying if you're recording.

    $900 for the stagepass 500.
    $673.90 for the samson
    $726.53 for the jbl

    JJ
     
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    If your requirements are for solo acoustic and vocals, I would recommend the Fishman SoloAmp (Fish Stick) over the 3 speakers you've mentioned, as it will sound superior to them, and it will have sufficient volume and coverage.

    If this is for a band, I'd take a look at the EV SxA 100+. Very nice, smooth speaker, as typical for EV - not honky sounding. Lots of people like the QSC K series as well.
     
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    I gig a Fishman Loudbox 100. It's amazingly loud and clear.

    I have a friend who plays guitar and gigs with a percussionist who plays all sorts of hand drums. She has the Yamaha StagePass 300 and they sound great together. They're loud.

    That StagePass 500 would be great. Potential overkill for acoustic music.
     
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    I gig with a Mackie 808S & 2 x EV SX100's.
    I love the clean,clear sound.
    We play as a duo.
    He plays bass through a GK 600w (450 @ 8 ohm) & a 1 x 15" or 2 x 10" cab.
    He runs a drum machine through a GK 600w & a 1 x15" or 2 x 10" cab.
    I play Tele's through a Valvetrain Concord (6w, 1 x 10) or a Brown Deluxe or a Tweed Deluxe.
    Some clubs we could get away with less PA.
    The JBL is very light & loud. 300w
    I'm not sure about Samson quality. 500w it's the cheapest.
    Yamaha is a good brand. 500w

    jj
     
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    The yamaha has one reverb.
    The JBL & Samson have several effects.

    JJ
     
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    I have the new Fender Passport 500, and so far, so good.
    It's very simple to use, with either my duo or (quiet) 4 piece band.
     
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    brookdalebill, fender is pretty vague about the specs of the Passport 500.
    It would probably work fine.

    Chiogtr4x,i already have the EV's & Mackie if i need that much headroom.

    I looked into powered speakers. :idea:
    Most have only 1 mike level xlr input & no effects.
    So you have to buy & bring a small mixer with onboard effects & an annoying wall wart that you have to find power for. :(
    Each speaker then needs ac AND you have to run shielded cable when you daisy chain the powered speakers.
    A real PITA ! :rolleyes:

    JJ
     
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    Anyone have experience with the Bose L1 systems? I’ve seen a couple of people use them and was amazed at the ease of use and sound quality.
     
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    Sound quite nice in small places, My old Drummer who also sings solo used to use them then changed back to regular cabs, as he felt they did not project very far.
     
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    I reiterate:
    "I looked into powered speakers.
    Most have only 1 mike level xlr input & no effects.
    So you have to buy & bring a small mixer with onboard effects & an annoying wall wart that you have to find power for.
    Each speaker then needs ac AND you have to run shielded cable when you daisy chain the powered speakers.
    A real PITA ! "

    Those art speakers are fantastic though and a steal right now as they are closeouts !

    JJ

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    Not a good choice for a bass with percussion impact sound, but
    OK for soft volume stuff, such as solo guitar and vocals.

    Some people like the non-directional cues sound quality of it, others feel it sounds like out-of-phase stereo, where you hear the sound floating in the air, but you can't exactly tell where it's coming from.
     
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    Perhaps try taking only one SX100, unless you're just itching to buy something else?

    The 808 and SX are gonna be better quality than any of this stuff, including Yamaha, where you have to get to their small digital mixers before they offer anything better than Mackie, and EVs speakers are first-rate - none of these speakers are gonna have the same quality components as the EV, although the JBLs are at least light, since they use neo magnets.

    A sideways move at best, but it's your money.
     
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    Surely you need a mixer anyway, and most are regular plugs not adapters.
    As for running a mic lead or a speaker lead is there much difference in time ?
    I can set up very quickly, my desk is a 22 channell, bigger than what I need admittedly, but a 8 channel with effects is available.
    Not quite sure what you want to achieve? is it about size/trips to car/amount of plug sockets or simplicity ?
    Looking at what you are using , I would tend to use a bigger pa but a lot less backline.
     
  19. Jammin'John

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    bargoedboy sez "
    Surely you need a mixer anyway, and most are regular plugs not adapters.
    As for running a mic lead or a speaker lead is there much difference in time ?"

    You have to use a more expensive than speaker wire xlr cable AND you have to find ac power for the speaker. a PITA

    Not quite sure what you want to achieve? is it about size/trips to car/amount of plug sockets or simplicity ?

    Simplicity.

    Looking at what you are using , I would tend to use a bigger pa but a lot less backline.

    My partner insists on BIG,clean headroom for the bass & drums and always brings that equipment.
    No drums or bass in the pa.


    JJ
     
  20. Jammin'John

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    I agree that the EV & Mackie setup smokes any of this stuff.
    That's not the point.
    We have some small and/or quieter gigs that I am playing a 6 watt tube amp on.
    I don't need a fabulous pa for these gigs.
    WE are also in a very depressed economy where I live and a lot of gigs don't pay well.
    If there isn't much $$$$ for the gig then I want to do less work.
    We are playing a good paying quiet gig for new years eve.
    I am playing the 6w amp and the Mackie will run 2 x 10" Peaveys.

    Of the mentioned setups:Stagepas 500,Samson XP510i,JBL eon 210p.
    Which one do you think is the best quality ?

    JJ
     
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