Sister Rosetta Tharpe and the Mystery of the Phantom Amp

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  1. Norris Vulcan

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    An AC30 without the logo is still very obviously an AC30 :D
     
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    Years ago, I showed the church guitarist Rosetta on youtube -

    SHE'S LIKE JIMI HENDRIX's GRANDMOTHER! He exclaimed...
     
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    The other thing I’ve always noticed about that video is Rosetta doesn’t use a mic stand. The mic is pinned to her coat and the lead hidden behind her scarf and the coat.

    In the photo, presumably at rehearsal, the mic lead is not hidden, and you can see mic stands behind her which have gone during the video.

    The mic position is not ideal but her voice sounds good and she can move all over the place. I wonder, why didn’t we all do it?
     
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    Alabama Shakes kinda remind me of Sista' Rosetta... Just kind o a feelin'/attitude thang...

     
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    Exactly. They used lapel mics, the first time they'd ever done it. IN the second half Muddy walks right down the platform and you can hear him all the way.

    Although the station was unused there were still trains going thru, incidentally, so they had to plan the filming very carefully...
     
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    MOJO magazine was one place I read it .

    But - if you’re saying they never performed together over there then it wouldn’t have happened .Thought for sure I had seen photos of them getting off the bus , getting on a bus, and Muddy talking to Sister Rosetta.

    Story wasn’t necessarily that Muddy Waters pulled a knife on Sonny Boy Williamson, just that he was pestering Sister Rosetta and Muddy let him know in no uncertain terms what would happen if he kept it up.

    Where this was supposed to have taken place? No idea. It’s been along time since I saw that article.

    Supro thing has already been disproved so change it to Dallas Lascala or something ...
     
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    Fwiw .... How about Sister Rosetta was no mug when it came to "why have I got a Vox amp behind me, who's paying me for endorsing that?" etc .... Do any genuine pics of her using an AC30 in the States exist?
    As for the Supro, like others, I suspect a bit of gerrymandering!
     
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    Well, this is a shoot for TV, right? No PA system to feed back. Lapel mics work fine in that situation. Put some speakers in the room, and suddenly you've got gain-before-feedback issues.
     
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    I think the doctored photo is just more Russian interference....

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    Not just a TV shoot, it was a live concert at a disused railway station that was also filmed for TV. The performers were mostly on one platform and the audience was across the tracks on the opposite platform. There had to be a PA or some sort of amplification so the audience of Manchester hipsters and mods could hear the music.
     
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    This doesn't get any closer to answering the big question, but it's the best capture I've found of the mystery object under the bench. What I originally thought were reflections from a vertical row of knobs appear to be reflections from -- something else that I can't identify. A cable is obviously draped across its front, but the angles are wrong for it to be Sister Rosetta's guitar cable.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wow. Now I likes me some Sister Rosetta but I have never dug into the details as much as you guys. Go for it, the truth must be found.
     
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    I have to think that is a Gretsch.
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    It’s some kinda junction box/power box.

    NOT an amp.

    (I thought I had the worst monitor on the planet ...:rolleyes:)
     
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    The supposed Supro amp in that first picture looks like an Evans amp to me, which makes even less sense, because I'm pretty sure those didn't even exist yet back then. evans-je200-solid-state.jpg
     
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    I know nothing about 1960s era junction boxes but I suspect you're at least in the ballpark if not dead on. It's certainly too deep to be a guitar amp. There probably wouldn't be any confusion if it didn't have that silver front + black sides look.

    Any idea what the bright spots are? There's no direct sunlight that day and no artificial lighting (AFAIK) on the platform to reflect that way, which makes me suspect it's emitting its own light.
     
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    Wow, that really nails the look. The page at evansamps.com for the SE200 model states "This amazing combo amp is an upgraded version of the Compactra amplifier that Jim Evans built in the sixties." Could it be . . . ?
     
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    I haven't read the whole thread yet, so maybe it has already been addressed, but in the Supro photo the bricks on the wall behind Sister Rosetta do not line up correctly starting at the point just below the bottom of her dress/coat to the right of her leg. There seem to be angular differences in the mortar joints that do not make sense to me. Masons in the UK can't be that bad.
     
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    The top of the amp appears to have a handle right where the side handle of an AC30 would be.
     
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