Single coil to humbucker

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  1. ebb soul

    ebb soul Poster Extraordinaire

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    No matter what I drop in a tele or fender type guitar, it still sounds decidedly fendery.
    If I had a dollar for every bucker I'd put in someones tele or strat.
    But they never sound the least bit 'Gibsony'.
    Maybe its my ears, but thou I do not wish to start tone wood debates, it seems to settle that debate, to me.
    I'd rather debate it from the perspective of those pups.
    The humbuckers I have used may thicken the tone, may even sometimes seem more powerful, but those guitars retain most of their original nature.
    Not really complaining, just find it odd.
     
  2. MilwMark

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    I agree. I chased humbuckers in Teles for a long time. Never found the sound I sought until I picked up a Gibson. Doh!

    Where it gets more innaresting is that a bucket sounds somewhere between the way it sounds in a Tele and in a LP, when it’s in a Special or JR. Maybe the carve isn’t just cosmetic?
     
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    I have probably swapped different humbuckers in my buddys 'soloist' strat four times.
    One volume,, no tone.
    Now, mind you this homebuilt guitar sounds better than anything in his stable--but
    It still sounds mostly like a strat with one single coil.
    Perhaps it needs a real hot bucker to compensate ash and maple neck.
    But, then again, I have never been big on 'hot winds'.

    I hear a bigger difference going from one bucker to another, in some Gibson guitar. Why izzat?
     
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    I'm noticing that I'm noticing less tiny detail than I used to, might be the old ears or might be losing obsession with gear.

    Two guys at the county fair; one brought his '49 John Deere for the tractor pull, the other brought his midway ride setup.

    Are they both hearing the same sounds?
    Or are they hearing their own personal obsessions they've invested in?
     
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    Most often not sounding the same is due to not swapping the controls along with the pickups.
    A humbucker on a 250k volume pot and 250k tone pot with 0.022uF tone cap will sound different than
    A humbucker on a 500k volume pot and 500k tone pot with 0.047uF tone cap.

    Then of course you are fighting with 20% pot tolerance ranges and 10% cap tolerance ranges plus all the variation inside pickups (never published because the range is even more wide than the pots and caps).

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  6. MilwMark

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    I’ve always done the pot swaps too.
     
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    Yeah but s' why I used my buddys guitar as example.
    500k, same pot on each swap.
    I know for shure I have put a duncan, dimazzio, and an epiphone pup in there with very little result.
    (Aside from it sounding good in each incarnation)
     
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    And a mahogany Strat does not sound like a Strat. You're trying to get mahogany tone from alder or ash, ain't gonna happen.
     
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    I wonder how much scale length has to do with it?
     
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    I for one have always preferred the sound of single coil PU's. Ye a I use humbuckers for some things but I love the sound of AlNiCo Tele PU's .
     
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    25.5'' scale has more overtones and 'twang' compared to the 24.75'' Gibson scale. IME, even unplugged, the shorter scale gives a 'softer' tone compared to 25.5''
    the maple vs mahogany neck probably contributes as well. Maple tends to gives a pretty bright/fast attack.
     
  12. MilwMark

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    The strange thing is I've had the same physical humbuckers in a Fender guitar and then in two different LPs. Same value pots in each. They sounded brighter in each of the LPs.

    Which is exactly the opposite about what I expected to hear.

    Go figure.
     
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    And a 25" scale sounds like......Dentistry! :D
     
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