Silverface Champ help

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  1. rmc2112

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    Hello TDPRI land!

    I have been seeking an older Fender Champ for quite some time. Browsing recently I found a shop about and hour away that is selling a 1977 Fender Champ for $400. The amp looks fairly clean (Pictures attached) and the speaker has been swapped to a 10" speaker.

    Here are my questions:

    1 - Would i be able to swap back to an 8" speaker?
    2 - Is $400 for a 77 Fender champ with a 10" speaker a good value?
     

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    You CAN switch back to an 8" speaker, but how easy it will be depends on if the baffle was enlarged to install the 10". If it was, you will likely need to replace the baffle or add a ring/adapter of some sort to reduce the opening size.

    If this was a clean, unmolested Champ, I would say $400 would be reasonable. But with the speaker replacement and who knows what else modified inside, it may be a bit high. But that is just my opinion. I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of the market.
     
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    I'd far prefer just about any 10" in a Champ than that horrid 8". I'd never change it back. $400 sounds pretty reasonable these days.
     
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    $400 is more than I'd pay.

    The baffle, which is non-replaceable, has been hacked up for the 10" speaker mod. IMO, this affects the value of the amp (even if some folks prefer a 10" speaker.)

    I would also want to know what the inside of the amp looks like. Any changes in there? Have the filter caps been serviced? Those considerations will also affect its value.
     
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    A 77 will have a glued in baffle so it will come down to seeing if they enlarged the speaker cut out. 400.00 seems a little high if the baffle is cut up. The biggest problem to me would be that the 10" is not likely to be a 4 ohm speaker.
     
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    1) maybe
    2) I just sold both of mine for $500 but they were electronically perfect.
     
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    A lot sell in the 600-700 range these days.
     
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    If I bought that amp, I'd 100% be replacing the baffle and speaker. I'd also expect to replace 25-100% of what's under the hood.

    In my world, $400 is a little steep for a cabinet and chassis.
     
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    Offer less and see.
    If they take less, they think it’s worth less.
    I have a SFVC.
    I’d love a 10” speaker in it, but I won’t hack mine.
    You already have that and it may be a bargaining chip as well.
     
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    I haven't seen one cheaper than that in at least a few years now. Even at $400 you aren't getting ripped off. That said, most people list a price they expect to be talked down from. If I didn't care if I got the amp or not, I'd offer $375. If you won't miss the money, get it. Then enjoy the amp. You will probably be able to resale it for $400 in short order if you don't like it.
     
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    Yeah, It's been a while since I bought a Champ. 10 years ago I paid $400 for a pristine '69 drip edge and thought that I overpaid, but I really wanted it. And I had kinda just started this whole guitar playing/amp hobby. I traded it for a 1993 Jackson Pro (MIJ). I shoulda kept both. Heh.

    Also. Looking harder at those pics. I believe that the baffle is replaced. It looks like plywood, and a '77 woulda had particle board, wouldn't it? And there appears to be some cleats in there. It might be decent job.
     
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    Paid $499 Canadian for my '77 Champ in 1999. It's a keeper.
     
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    That was $500 each correct?
     
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    This is the hot move.
     
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    That looks like a meaty speaker! Maybe even an EV of some sort?
    If they cut the baffle hole bigger for the 10" it may be funky to put an 8" back.
    $400 isn't bad. Although I dont know what the mod does to the value. I sold mine with a recent cap job and both original speaker and new Emi 820 speaker for $350 two years ago.
     
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    I think I paid $250, but, that was 5 years ago.
     
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    Yep each.
     
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    I think $400 is a pretty good deal as long as it's fairly original but for the speaker. I wouldn't swap it back to an 8 inch speaker.
     
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    It doesn't have to be a 4 Ohm speaker. That Champ will run just fine with an 8 Ohm speaker.
     
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