Shortscale (tenor) strat (Squier strat mod)

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    kaludjerko TDPRI Member

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    Idea started while playing with capo on the 2nd fret and realizing how everything is easily reachable and how I can play wide stretches that would be otherwise imposible, for me of course.

    Somehow about the same time, I realized that thick necks are what I prefer to play. So there are two goals that I wanted to achieve

    1. short neck, scale length 23 inches or less
    2. fat neck, 23-25mm thickness along the profile

    Now, there are small neck guitars, Squier mini and Ibanez micro, but people report that they have thin necks too (makes sense, those are made with kids hands in mind).

    While there are conversion necks available, e.g. from Warmoth, still change of the scale is not too significant. I wanted to go further, so custom neck was a way to go.
    Here is innitial idea, what is we can "chop off" 1st two frets of normal neck, than I would be in bussines... Short-Scale-01.jpg
     
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    Neck-Done.jpg fast forward, got to know friend of a friend that made quite a few guitars and repair work (also moded Yamaha Tele in my avatar). He got curious about the idea and we decided to give it a go.
    We decided on single piece maple neck, small stainless frets, his signature head shape, 5+1 tuners per side, nitro finish wood stained with amber tint.
    This is in finished state, after preliminary installation for testing.
     
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    Very cool! How does it sound? Play?

    I have a Silvertone 1448 that my dad bought in 1963. It has something like a 21" scale neck. I LOVE playing it. Everything is so easy to reach and the strings have a much lower tension. I have it strung with fat strings and tuned down to D. HUGE sounds. The bass strings can be a little muddy - not much spank or "thwack". But picking closer to the bridge usually gets enough of that for me.
     
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    thanks!
    It plays fantastic. It became my main one now.
    Sound is good too. It became a bit more mellow, if that makes sense. Strung it with 11s and now i have similar if not a bit looser feel as with my other strat with 9s. String height setup was also a big thing. Oleg is very good at it.
    One thing that I definitely noticed is that the new neck is very stiff (being short and fat). Compared to this one, my other squier-strat neck bends like its made of rubber. If i do not imagine it, this stiff neck makes guitar more resonant.
    Yet another thing is neck shape. I wanted chunkier neck profile, that does NOT taper from nut to bridge. Shape of the neck is cross between C and D, with a bit wider shoulders.
     
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    oboss_03.jpg Ok, back to the story... Here is finished guitar (photo is courtesy of Oleg).
    Nothing super-wierd looking here, just that the proportions are a bit off if you look closely.
     
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    finally, comparison with 2nd strat that has standard scale neck (sorry for the blury image).
    Both bodies are same size (any difference is due to the angle at which photo was taken), sunburst strat started as afinity strat and blue one is old Korean squier from 90s, moded to death. :)
    Blue one has very thin neck, which is what i was told was a good quality to look in a guitar way back than. Its neck is like a straw in a wind compared to sunburst-maple Shorty. Compar_02.jpg
     
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    Now that i have read your post more carefully, 21" is short. Would love to try that. :)
    How's the neck shape?
    This model is the one that came with amp in a guitar case, right? Do you have that one, does it sound good?
     
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    Dang kid, making me feel old. Lol, play on!
     
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    Saw a guy leave guitar center with two of those mini Strats yesterday, started to say something but never bothered.
     
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    I have a tenor acoustic guitar and like it a lot. Fun to play. Since they are tuned CGDA (nice in that it makes for different chord inversions than guitar) and you seem to have a fifth string I'm wondering what note that extra string is tuned to.
     
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    It's a very simple "C" shaped neck. Not thick, not thin. Not exactly high-quality, either. But something about the poplar-skeleton-and-masonite body, that short neck with aluminum nut, and the cheap lipstick pickup - it sounds killer. Beautiful tones that I can't find anywhere else - I've looked. It' probably weighs 4 pounds (maybe less).

    The amp-in-case works, too. All original. But it's dangerous without a proper ground, so I don't play it very often.
     
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    Maybe my post title was a bit misleading. This neck is made to be 2 frets shorter than standard Stratocaster neck (from 25.5" -> 22.75"). Guitar still has 6 strings like a regular one (headstock has 5+1 tuners, which is design by Oleg - Oboss Guitars). I have it in standard E tuning, so for now it is "just" a short scale neck.
    To be fair my level of playing is not that advanced that I can grasp alternate tunings well and particularly not to use them with ease.
     
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    That's cool. It's basically a Duo-Sonic scale guitar in Strat form. Original Duo-Sonics were just like you said: nut located just about the same distance from the bridge where the second fret would normally be on a full-scale guitar.

    The only way outside of a custom build to have got that neck would have been buying a loose '50s Duo-Sonic V neck. I.e. expensive and probably in need of work.

    Duo-Sonic IIs were also available with that scale, but most had Jaguar/Mustang/Musicmaster scale (24" – about one fret's worth longer).
     
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    I can do that...

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    A friend has the Rickenbacker John Lennon signature, which I think has a 22" scale. It is nice to hold, but I could never get on with playing it, though my baritone uke and solid bodied uke bass both have a similar scale and give me no problems.

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    Like your blue Strat, my No.1 Strat does have Alumitones though.
     
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    Exactly as you say.
    In that sense, I wonder if in general there is a market for those. This is not only limited to smaller players with smaller hands. My friend that is 1.95 m tall (6 foot 6 inches) loved the feel of shorty strat. He's not much into technicalities and just noticed: "it is very nice and i can reach everything much better than on my guitar" and wondered where he can get one, before i explained him the whole project...
     
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    How do you like them?

    I was intrigued by concept of John Lennon Rickenbacker, can you comment on hat you remember was the neck thickness?
    Just checked the specs, acctually scale is even shorter 533m -> 21".
    For me, this would be ~20x higher investment into something that I could not try before buy.
    With Oleg I had a luxury to be pampered and spoiled big time. Was being treated like a rock star :D
     
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    I've come across a couple of these Squier 3/4-Tenor scale Strats at pawnshops in the last couple of days. Was temped to get one, but I didn't give in.
     
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    I could imagine that you didn't.
    It is all about neck. Minis have narrower and I would also assume, thiner necks.
    This in addition to shorter scale makes them too different to physically grown ups. :rolleyes:
     
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