'Sherlock' of old and new..

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  1. jefrs

    jefrs Doctor of Teleocity

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    Arthur Conan-Doyle (it's double-barrelled;) was an MD, the Watson story-teller is himself but Holmes and his deductions are based on one of Conan-Doyle's tutors (Prof Bell?)

    The Watson in the books and journals is a an ex-army doctor, he's a pretty tough guy.

    There's a nice bit in the modern "Sherlock" where a villain confronted by Watson with service revolver says, "you can't shoot me, you're a doctor".
    Bang! "sorry ... wrong type of doctor".
     
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    Yes they have made more of the modern "Sherlock" but they are full-scale expensive productions, movie proportions, hence the 90-minute mini-series format.

    Next airing New Year's Day BBC1 !!!
     
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    No it isn't. Never has been.

    And these folks should know.

    http://www.conandoyleestate.co.uk/

    There's some argument about whether it's a compound surname at all, as Conan was one of his given names. His father was Charles Altamont Doyle, and his baptism record (St. Mary's Edinburgh) gives Arthur Ignatius Conan as his Christian names.


    I've been a Holmes fan since I was a kid, I've picked up a lot of annoying little details over the years ;)
     
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    Alimentary, my dear Western
     
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    You're right. :oops:

    But he did use it as a compound surname, a rarer form of double-barrelling, no hyphen.

    His works are listed under "D for Doyle", but then they would even if it really was "Conan-Doyle", that's just the way it works.

    His wife became Jean Conan Doyle.

    And your name is what you say it is, not what it says in the records.

    Oleptangptangbiscuit-Barrel, pronounced "Smith" and so-on.
     
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    :p
     
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    Yes. Joseph Bell was a teacher of Doyle's and was at the forefront of forensic science, using observation of minute details to make a diagnosis.
     
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    Now i wish had added a poll, Basil, Brett, Cumberbatch, etc.

    My Brit wife and I were just discussing our mutual opinion if admiration for the more contemporary rendition. And she more than I is old school on the British Actors. Borris Karloff hands down she always says. So for her to like the contemporary anything is not a common occurance, very old world when it comes to such things generally...
     
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    the name's Holmesch, Scherlock Holmesch

    as mentioned in another thread, Fleming re-wrote Bond after seeing Connery

    i wonder if Doyle would have done similar
     
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    Most definitely! +1
     
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    I loved watching the old Basil Rathbone versions, great stuff in their time. I like the Elementary series as well.
     
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    Striking resemblance between Nigel Bruce, Dr Watson with Basil Rathbone, and the older Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Was that deliberate I wonder?
     
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    I was big on Rathbone but Cumberbatch has taken over as my favourite. I love the writing:

    Holmes: Punch me in the face.
    Watson: Punch you?
    Holmes: Yes, punch me... in the face. Didn't you hear me?
    Watson: I always hear "punch me in the face" when you're speaking, but it's usually subtext.

    Holmes: I'm not a psychopath, Anderson, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research.
     
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    If he was really a genius, he'd know that the two terms are interchangeable. :p
     
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    Just finished watching seasons 1-2 on Blue Ray. Paid 1/2 off so we felt it was a lot of entertainment for $39.95 for both.

    Lara Pulver pretty hot too...
     
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    I like the BBC Sherlock series - not really Sherlock Holmes, but a good show on its own.

    Robert Downey Jr.? Usually in good movies - what idiot decide Sherlock Holmes need to be an action hero with CGI special effects? These movies suck.
     
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    I dunno, wasn't Conan Doyle a proponent of skiing. He was one of the first to introduce the ski from Norway to Switzerland.

    Holmes wasn't some lame duck, it makes sense then for him, from Conan Doyles' writings, to be a master swordman, a bare knuckle boxer, and to "have some knowledge, however, of Baritsu" (an obscure Victorian martial art combining jujitsu with boxing etc, properly Bartitsu)

    The steam punk Holmes works quite well if you suspend your disbelief.
     
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    Hard not to notice in the Sherlock series his addiction was minimized to a smoking habit he attempts to abstain from instead of heroin.
     
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    Holmes did cocaine, injected in a seven percent solution, didn't he?

    It's a pity Rathbone never did a true to the literature Holmes movie, instead battling ****s. He resembled the classic images penned for the magazine.

    You see Sherlock based characters everywhere. Spock. Sheldon on Big Bang.

    Ellery Queen showed that Nero Wolfe was Holmes' son, product of a brief meeting with the American actress Irene Adler. Although resemblance to Sherlock is faint, Wolfe was apparently the spitting image of Mycroft.

    Some scholars suggest Holmes died in 1907 in Northern Russia, battling the forces that sought to build an infernal machine to spark war in Europe. It is thought Holmes' appearance in WWI, "His Last Bow", was Gillette, the actor. This is supposition, of course.
     
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    I agree. Based on portrait similarity alone, BR was the perfect SH.

    Who was in fact even smarter than his brother. Too lazy to bother though ... :oops:
     
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