School me on the ES335

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  1. skunqesh

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    Is the neck pup alos a SD? yikes! I've tried that. once. only once.


    To the OP
    The ES's I've bonded with had to go thru a few iterations of pickups/controls to dial them in,

    and that's the only thing I hate about ES's - lacing them back up.
    I can't count the number of times I almost got a volume or tone pot thru the set hole (using tubing or wire) and then 'dropped' it, forcing me to start over again.
     
  2. LeicaBoss

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    Oh yes, SD in the neck. They are almost 50 years old and have mellowed a bit (demagnetized?), but my amps are still like "WTF IS HAPPENING TO ME?"
     
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  3. T Prior

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    never bonded with ES335's, tried many times. Not that they are not great guitars they are. Here are some very in your face issues if you are a Fender player, such as a Tele.

    1) the Gibsons neck radius is typically 12 " compared to a 9.5 or even 7.25, which means it has a very flat feel

    2) the fret wire height is typical .045 to .050 compared to under .040 which means if you fret hard you can cause PITCH issues just from the fret wire height. Many players who swap between the two brands have the Gibson frets dressed down to fender height.

    3) PUPs and guitar tones are more mid range vs high end bright

    4) the Gibson knobs are in a the wrong place compared to a Tele !


    Other than that, they are perfect !

    Before you spend the big bucks, grab an Epihone Dot on the used market , see if you like it. They are great playing guitars and excellent 335 clones . In many ways I liked the Epihones the same or better than the Gibsons I owned at 1/4 the price.
     
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  4. Guitarteach

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    I don’t have a 335... :(

    Because I have a vintage 345!!!! :)

    Love the T Tops and the way it can do both jazzy warmth and amazing jangle without pedals or amp changes. Incredible to play properly cranked. Much more lively than a Les Paul.
     
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    I have Heritage 535 and I love it dearly. I like it better than any 335 I’ve ever played.
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  6. Tom TeleSlinger

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    I wanted to talk about this many times. Switching different guitars. Today many people claims that VERSALITY IS SO IMPORTANT and you need at least 10 guitars, 15 amps and 100 pedals :) I don't think so, because as a player you need to have your own style and sound. ONE sound (no 100 different sounds), so people could hear your playing in the song and say "I'm sure that's him". That's more important than versality.

    So, I used to play Tele all the time and I was alright, but recently I was tempted to buy Eastman T386 (Es-335). After couple of weeks I feel I'm beggining to bond with it. Part of me really likes this guitar, but the other part keep telling me to trade it for another Tele :)
    I think I instictively use Tele and ES-335 a little different, I've already learned a few little tricks I can't do on Tele (like different and more intense vibrato), but I think that maybe it would be better to stick with Telecaster and master my skills on one guitar. I don't know :)
     
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    Just my 5 cents

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  8. T Prior

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    Its not a bad thing to own a few different brands but it can cause some inconsistency's. The guitars are different, not just the tones, but the feel, the weight, the action, it all matters. Jumping from a 335/ Les Paul, 12" radius to a 7.25 /9.25 tele radius with Hbucker tones vs SC tones can be a distraction. Now add varied fret heights, it requires a different approach to playing, unless of course a hi $$ tech has been thru all of our guitars making them as equal as possible PLAY-ABILITY wise.

    These two guitars, both B Benders ,play very well, but play-ability wise couldn't be further apart. The neck profiles and fret wire are miles apart. If I fret the Gibson the same as the Fender, the Gibson will have "NOTE PITCH " issues due to the higher factory frets. The Gibson is like a Les Paul, 335, while the Fender is, well, NOT ! The Gibson soon will go to the local guitar guy and have the frets dressed down to fender fret height . Theres nothing that can be done with regard to 12" radius vs 9.25 shy of major surgery. It's not the tones, it's the comparison of play-ability. I am a Tele player , so the Gibson has to be changed slightly to become closer to the Tele overall. I can live with the 12" radius but not the higher frets which requires a totally different left hand execution.

    My Telecasters are strung with 9's or 10's with very low set action. They each have a very similar feel while the Gibson is not even close. Playing execution changes with the Gibson.

    others can feel free to disagree.

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  9. rarebreed

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    On the TDPRI this is probably going to get me some hate mail for posting this but in my opinion, a good 335 is the ultimate guitar for rock 'n' roll music. When I was a kid and first started playing and this was before Jimi came along,all the great players in my area played a 335. Hell, when Cream did the live recording of Crossroads, Clapton was playing one. And just one listen to Alvin Lee should convince you too.
     
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    I tried one of those years ago when I first started wanting a Telecaster. The one I tried was from a friends now long gone music store, it was a 1969 model. I was still playing my '67 Epiphone Casino as it was my only guitar back then. I played that Telecaster with these same pick-ups for one set and put it down and played my Casino the rest of the night. To me Fender's answer to the humbucking pick-up were lifeless sounding. The other guitar player in our band at the time played a '68 model Guild Starfire IV and the double coil pick-ups in it sounded great next to what was in that Telecaster.
     
  11. brookdalebill

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    I love ES 335s, 345 & 355 models.
    I have a black 2001 ES335 model.
    I also love Epiphone Rivieras and Sheratons, with mini humbuckers.
    Semi hollow guitars of this type have incredible upper fret acess, on a par with Gibson SGs.
    Many of the common dot position marker models have a wide/thin neck profile.
    It’s a very popular feature.
    Models with the larger profile are great too, but are often less common, and somewhat more expensive.
    Semi hollow 335s resist feedback, but will feedback in a controllable way, if you care to experiment.
    Compared to other Gibsons, like Les Pauls and SG’s, I’d describe their tone as “smoky”.
    Perhaps a silly adjective, but the attack of the notes are not as immediate, or bright sounding, IMO.
    Lastly, they are great low volume (or unpluuged) guitars for home/hotel room practice.
    Play a bunch of em’, you might get hooked!
     
  12. 63telemaster

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    Not sure what pickups were in the '69 model you played but Thinlines didn't get WRHBs until '71. Mine is a post 2012 MIM model with very different pickups to those original WRHBs. Fender revamped their reissue WRHBs in 2012 and once setup properly, they sound very good indeed imho.

    As mentioned above, the playing experience is very different between a tele and a 335. I only mentioned the Thinline as an option for those (like me) who could never get on with Gibson semis.
     
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    oops double post
     
  14. Tidepoolbay

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    I have had and have a bunch of 335's. On ES 355. All the ones I own are Historic or custom shop. Semi hollow great guitars. My friend owns two Casinos, one John Lennon and they are great! So really you need to try some before pulling the trigger. I own the Luther Dickerson model with P 90's and that too is a killer.
     
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    I agree. I play with Jazz picks and use my middle, ring, and pinky in a Banjo roll. With the Gibsons it is not always easy for me to do this. I can, but not as swiftly as a Telecaster.
     
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    I've only had 2 ES335s, the first was a 12 string I bought in the late 60s. It unfortunately ended up with a broken headstock and I couldn't afford to have it fixed, or find anyone capable to do the job.
    #2 was a '68 cherry that I bought for $200, and it was a closet classic! Girl's parents bought it for her, played it once and put it in the closet. Stopped by the local music store for strings on the way to a gig, and she was inside trying to trade it for an acoustic. The store offered her $150 trade in, she hesitated and I waited outside and offered her $200 and she accepted. And yes, I parted with that guitar about 4 years later and I still hate myself for it. My only pic. 1975
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    my es339 has p90's, I like them. they are prone to picking up hum,but its directional and related to how much gain I use on my amp emulator. Great for recording.

    Mines a chinese made Epiphone and it plays quite well, 310$ usd, with the case.Brand new had a chip in the back from shipping damage, doesn't show unless you know its there. I figure that gives me at least 1500$ in beer money over a new gibson....
     
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    Your photo is classic!

    Ricky bass, Gibson 335, flower power drummer's shirt, Fender and Kustom amps... and VW MICROBUSES! I love it.
     
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  20. Jerry J

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    While I would recommend an Epiphone Casino, I have an Elitist that is my go-to guitar, it is a hollow body and you have to be mindful of feedback. However, if you want an ES-335 style guitar, I also own a Heritage H-555, the equivalent of a Gibbie 355. Heritage is a brand that I wholeheartedly recommend. I took a chance on eBay and got mine for $1425 for a killer custom shop model. The standard pups are SD 59's. It's a cherry colored, flame maple beauty with the most beautiful MoP inlays on the fret board. I got mine crazy cheap, so I'm sure you can find a Heritage 535 for a good price, or at least in the US.
     
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